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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jdcroft@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
> I don't know if you people are aware of the genography project which
> is promising to re-write human history over the last 190,000 years.
>
> It is already having an effect for example:
>
> Y Chromosome M17 Haplotypes were shifting nomadic famers and steppe
> dwellers who moved originally from the Ukraine steppe toeards
> Khirghizstan. In India M17 is closely associated with Indo-Aryan
> speaking Indians and is much less common amongst the Dravidian
> population.
That is simply false. M 17 has the greatest diversity in South Asia
even among the so called tribals. In any case even Well's own
estimates about the age of M 17 are 10,000 YBP a lot older than
required to provide evidence of a supposed "Indo-Aryan" migration.
Please refer to our paper Proto Vedic Continuity Theory.doc in the
files section.
Some excerpts:
"For me and for Toomas Kivisild, South Asia is logically the ultimate
origin of M17 and his ancestors; and sure enough we find highest rates
and greatest diversity of the M17 line in Pakistan, India, and eastern
Iran, and low rates in the Caucasus. M17 is not only more diverse in
South Asia than in Central Asia but diversity *characterizes* its
presence in isolated tribal groups in the south, thus undermining any
theory of M17 as a marker of a `male Aryan Invasion of India', (p. 152)."
"Study of the geographical distribution and the diversity of genetic
branches and stems again suggests that Ruslan, along with his son M17,
arose early in South Asia, somewhere near India, and subsequently
spread not only south-east to Australia but also north, directly to
Central Asia, before splitting east and west into Europe and East Asia
(p. 153)." (Oppenheimer, Stephen (2003), "The Real Eve: Modern Man's
Journey out of
Africa," New York: Carroll and Graf Publishers.)
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2156-5-26.pdfhttp://vetinari.sitesled.com/india.pdf
"Our reappraisal indicates that pre Holocene and Holocene-era-not
Indo-European expansion have shaped the distinctive South Asian Y
chromosome landscape (Sengupta et. Al. 2005, Abstract)."
"In other words, there is no evidence whatsoever to conclude that
Central Asia has been necessarily the recent donor and NOT THE
RECEPTOR of the R1a lineages (Sengupta et. Al, 2005, p. 17, emphasis
added)."
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0507714103v1
"The sharing of some Y-chromosomal haplogroups between Indian and
Central Asian populations is most parsimoniously explained by a deep,
common ancestry between the two regions, with diffusion of some
Indian-specific lineages northward (abstract)."
"Rather the high incidence of R1* and R1a throughout Central Asian and
East European populations (without R2 and R* in most cases) is more
parsimoniously explained by gene flow in the opposite direction
possibly with an early founder effect in South or West Asia (p. 4)."
"A pre-Neolithic chronology for the origins of Indian Y chromosomes is
also supported by the lack of a clear delineation between DR
(Dravidian) and IE (Indo-European) speakers (p. 5, parentheses added)."
"It is not necessary, based on the current evidence, to look beyond
South Asia for the origins of the paternal heritage of the majority of
Indians at the time of the onset of settled agriculture. The perennial
concept of people, culture, language, and agriculture arriving to
India through the northwest corridor does not hold up to close
scrutiny (Sahoo et al. 2005, p. 5)."
M. kelkar