Re: [tied] water

From: tgpedersen
Message: 43161
Date: 2006-01-30

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "P&G" <G&P@...> wrote:
>
> >1. Is there any possibility that "aqua" is related to "akov" -
the old
> >Slavic measure for the weight of fluid?
> >2. What about Slavic "okov" (fetter) and "potkov" - pod-okov
(horse shoe)
> >and Latin equus, equi (horse)?
> >3. In Sanskit "apas" is "running water" (additional meaning
is "sacred
> >act"; Lat "pius") and in Slavic we have the verb "piti" (drink)
and "pio si"
> >(2.sing. perfect), "opio se" (3.sing. perfect); could it be
related?
>
> I had been expecting someone else to answer this.
>
> Latin aqua and Latin equus are not connected.
> aqua < *akW- (probably h2ekW-)
> equus < *ek'w- (probably h1ek'w-)
> Note that they have different laryngeals, and one has a single
consonant,
> while the other has a consonant cluster.
>
> Sanskrit apas is a different root again , *ap- (presumably *h2ep-)
>

More Pulleyblank stuff:
"
F.K. Li (1974-1975) suggests, with a query, that fa EMC puap may
have come from OC *kw- ... We must assume that under conditions that
remain to be worked out, perhaps the effect of a prefix, the
labiovelar initial *kW in this word shifted to p- instead of losing
its labialisation before *a.
"

"
My proposal for explaining the Indo-European manner contrasts, based
on analogies drawn from Sino-Tibetan, is quite different [from the
glottalic theory] but, I believe, at least equally plausible in
terms of general linguistic typology. What I suggest is

(a) that the PIE voiced aspirates, like the voiced stops of Early
Middle Chinese, originated through the effect of a vowel prefix *a-
[Ehret proposes something similar for AfroAsiatic, with very few
examples, including the "water" word], which spread voiced
aspiration (murmur) through the syllable and onto a final obstruent,
if present: *apVt -> *bhVdh [re-syllabification would have worked as
nicely]. This accounts for the well-known restriction on PIE roots
which allows roots of the type *TeT- and *DheDh- but excludes roots
of the type *TeDh- and *DheT-... This theory of the origin of PIE
voiced aspirates implies that we should expect to find at least some
traces of a morphological relationship between corresponding roots
of the types *PeT- and *aPeT- -> BheDh-. There are, I believe,
traces of this, ... [Møller systematically uses these alteranation
in his exposition of proposed IE-Semitic cognates]"


So, given that, we might derive
*akW- aqua
*(e)gW- e:brius
*ap- "water"
*ab- "water"
*p- pibati "drinks"
*b- bibet "drinks"

as loans from OC (?)

which is nice. I don't know of any other way of doing it.


Torsten