From: altamix
Message: 42778
Date: 2006-01-05
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From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
To: <alxmoeller@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Romanian Rhotacism and the Iranian Influence
> > seems you need some updates here.
>
> *****GK: None of the below qualifies as such.*****
:-) OK, I will try to give you some today in the evening. I mean such
information which speaks about Getic Migration long time before 0 CE
>
>
> there has been
> > maybe the end of the
> > infiltration; the begining should have been some
> > hundred of years
> > before. I am not pretty sure if Dio Casius tells us
> > about the "dacians
> > who inhabited once the Rhodope mountains" which now
> > are inhabited by
> > Dacians.
>
> *****GK: This seems incoherent.****
it is incohoerent. "dacians who inhabited once the Rhodope mountains"
which now are inhabited by Thracians" should be the way which makes a
coeherence here. If I remember correctly this is mentioned in the
episode where he describes the Suebi and there he makes the mention
about the Dacians as not from the same Geermanic origin.
>
> > For the oldness of this infiltration, see the _old_
> > name of the
> > Odryssian capital which have had a dacian name
> > before it was
> > qonquested and became "thracian". Remember its name?
> > It is the one who
> > shows the change of "oi" to "u" via "oe" ( Oiscos >
> > Oescos > Uscus).
> > That is the ancient "Uscudama". Maybe one will say
> > "well -dama is not
> > -dava or -deva as we know from Dacians". Well, it is
> > not 100%. But
> > more appropiate by it as "briza" "dizos" or "para".
>
> ****GK: "dama" is recognized as a Thracian form by
> Duridanov with the meaning of "settlement". This is
> correct. "dama" also means the same thing in
> Indo-Aryan and Avestan. Cf. the Pontic Aryan
> KOROKONDAMA (a city of the Bosporan Kingdom situated
> in Sindic territory).******
>
Duridanov cannot keep Uscudama for Thracian but he should do it for
the later name of the city (Odrisia)in the odrysian time. I have in
fact a lot of questions here since there are imho too many words
which should mean "dwelling" or some of this kind ( -bria, -para, -
dizos, -diza, -dama).It looks like there has been already in these
time a big melting pot where several folkerschaften made their way
around. reverting to Uscudam, this one became in Thracian times
Odrisia, later it becames Adrianopolis, (actually Edirne ). If one
wants to have a thracian city here, one should find some other which
ends in "-dama". So far I remember there is none more in that region.
The only "-dama" I remember about should be the Dacian
plant "koadama" but this all ( the context is an another, thare can
hardly be a plant with the second part -dama and which should be
related to the meaning "dwelling".).
Assuming the "-dava" should be related to sindic "-dama", then is
this the proof the Dacians belongs to IndoIranians?
Alex