From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 42666
Date: 2005-12-31
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From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: [tied] Etymology of PIE *ph2ter
> > We also have here 'a strange similarity' with the 'brother'-root
> > something like : "ba-tr" => "bra-tr" (or vice-versa)
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> I remember that once, Piotr requested a discussion on the original
> meanings of PIE terms like 'father' 'mother' 'brother' 'sister'
> etc...
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> On my side I advance 'a little bit' (not to say 'not at all') ...but
> trying to start....I would explain 'father's PIE etymology' as 'the
> Protector (of the house/of the family)'
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> First (the most sure part) the PIE suffix *-ter indicates 'the
> Agent' on the pattern: '<<X-action>>-ter' => 'the Agent that
> performs the action-X'
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> Next, I would linked *ph2- of 'father' to PIE *peh2i- "to guard, to
> protect, to graze, to feed" => please don't expect a 'perfect
> match' both words evolved on 'different directions' (peh2-i- ; ph2-
> ter) from Early PIE times or even before....we need to start only
> from an 'initial' root *peh2-/*ph2- here...
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> A good argument here would be that both roots have a 'full-
> extension' ('full-extension' = 'appears in almost all IE-
> Languages'): if a 'derived-word' as 'father' is, has a 'full-
> extension' in 'IE-World' => we need of course a main-root that
> have 'at least' a similar 'full-extension'...(PIE *peh2i is ok, from
> this point of view).
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> So PIE *ph2ter < *ph2-ter 'The Agent of 'to guard, to protect'-
> Action => 'the Protector, the Guard-'er' (of the whole family/clan
> => I added also the 'implicit/invisible' context here :))
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> Happy New Year,
> Marius
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> P.S. And in this case PIE *meh2ter 'mother' represents "The Agent"
> of a *m???-action:
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> Pokorny ma:-2 root: 'good, good time, have a good time' would supply
> a 'great masculine etymology':
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> PIE *meh2-ter => "The Agent, the Generator of 'to-have-a-good-time'-
> Action"
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> (please take it as a joke :), even is a valid possibility...isn't
> it? :) )
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> Happy New Year,
> Marius
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