Re: [tied] Albanian N in CC-clusters (review)

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 42516
Date: 2005-12-15

On 12/15/05, alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...
> wrote:

I.
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pn > m (gjumë < PIE *sup-no)

np > mp > mb (mbesë < PIE *nepo:tya:) (-> or a Latin loan?) (Rom np<-
>mp)
 
Until now, you are the first one to suspect that Alb <mesë/mbesë> is inherited word. Important is to be the first, isn't it!

bn > m (lumë < PIE *lubh-no -> PIE *leubh-)

nb > mb (similar with np) (Rom np<->mp)

mn > m (dëm < Lat.damnum)

nm > m (emër < PAlb *enmen- < PIE *h1nh3men-)


II.
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gn > nj (njoh < PAlb gna:-ska < PIE *g'neh1?-sko)

NOTE: the transformation was only gn > nj (and not also g'n>nj)
because the depalatisation of palatal velars in an {n,m,l,r} context
happened long before -> Timeframe: Dialectal IE.
 
And why, and who says that? Maybe your well-known time frame! 

ng -- ng

kn > nj   (similar with gn)

NOTE: majë is more probable from mal-ja: (< mal 'mountain, shore').
 
I think it isn't. Prove it. Find any other cognate. Cf., e.g., matanë 'beyond' < më 'on' + atë 'that' + anë 'side'.

nk > ng (nga 'out' < PAlb *en-ka)
 
 Yes, it is Orel's etymology, but I think that primary form is *kah of Gheg dialect, until <nga> 'where, from, to' is a prefixed form and it is derived from interrogative and relative stem of pronouns *kWo-.

III.
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nc^ > s (pesë < PIE *penkWe -> in fact it was nc^>nc>(ns)>s )

c^n > n? (I suspect n -> based on c^>s & sn>n ) (Rom. c^n > s^n)

ng^ > z (I suspect similar with n3>nz>z see mëz)

g^n > n? (I suspect n -> similar with c^n) (Rom. g^n > z^n)



IV.
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nc > s (I don't have example here but nc > s similar with ns>s)

cn > n? (any help is welcome)

n3 > z (mëz <-> Rom. mânz < PAlb *mandya)

3n > n? (any help is welcome)

sn > n (nus 'thread' < PAlb *snutja)

ns > s (maybe pishë < *pin-so?)

Note: Abdullah, ns, ms > s not /m/ -> PIE *mem-so > mish
What I have to note, when I explained more than one etmymolgy, tesftifying that cluster -ms- and -ns- yielded /sh/.

V.
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-V'ntV(V) > V'nVV (man~mënd 'mulberry') (Dacian
manteia 'blackberry')
(V' = any vowell but not e => -entV(V) -- entV(V)

nt > nd (lend 'acorn' < PAlb *lenta)
 
No, primary form is <len>.

tn > n (zotnë (Old acusative) > zonë 'lord, master', motnë >
monë 'weather, year')

nd -- nd

dn > n (ënj 'to swell, inflame' < PAlb *aidnja < PIE *Hoid-njo ->
Arm. aytnowm 'to swell')
 
 

Alb. <ânj/ënj> are derived from PIE *anH- 'to breath' and probably this is most funny etymology I ever seen.
 
 
NOTE: Abdullah, I prefer this example as a more sure one, due to
Armenian cognate, than lej or gjej.




VI.
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ln > ll (we need to find a good example)

NOTE: sjell is not from PAlb c^el-na because the output would have
been *sjall not sjell...So Alb. sjell < PAlb *c^e-la (for the same
reason vjell < *we-la)
 
Please, Piotr or others, defend me from such nonsenses.

nl > ? (sorry for my previous post, I'm not sure here)

rn > rr (zorrë < PAlb *g^a:r-na: < PIE *g^wer-no (with unexplained
long vowel?))

nr > ?  (sorry for my previous post, I'm not sure here)



VII Other Rules
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Tosk V-n-V > r (gjër~gjanë 'soup' < PAlb *jausna:)

n > nj (in some contexts) => I suspect: if the previous syllable was
accented...(any feedback here?)


Next step is to can fix the right timeframes....and I will update the
Excel accordingly



Marius
 
Konushevci