Re: [tied] Proto-Albanian Timeframes

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

>
> alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > 1. Why to move the accent from the first to the last syllable

if

> > all the suffixes was already there 'from the beginning'? there is

no

> > reason to do this...
>
> -í: (< *-ija: or the like) was not there "from the beginning". It

was

> used to extend a word previously stressed on the initial syllable.

The

> reason for the shift is the underlying accent of -í:, a stress-

enforcing

> suffix.

I agree here: so at least we have agreed that we have here a 'later'
extension. Remain to detect when this extension took place...on my
side I think that for sure was long after a/not-stressed>& and after
dh>zero in intervocalic words....

So má-dhësht was extended in -i: remain to compute the real
timeframe (after sec X in my opinion) ...I will check based on the
Slavic loans in Albanian

> > 2. If the accent was on the first syllable how you can pronounce

a 4-

> > syllable word with this accent => you will finish 'your air' :)
> > Please try:
> > má-dhë-shti-ja or something similar => is impossible
>
> Never say "impossible" if you just mean "hard to pronounce as far

as I'm

> concerned". Your personal difficulty is not a universal law.

British

> English has <véterinary>, which ends in four unstressed syllables.

The

> first of them is often syncopated, but even the tremainder is,

according

> to your criteria, less "possible" than *mádhështë (the form which I
> actually think underlies <madhështí:>). Or, please, try

<intélligible>

> -- does it take your breath away? Even in American English the

stress is

> on the pre-antepenultimate syllable, exactly as in

your "impossible" word.

>
> Piotr
>

Piotr, Albanian and especially OldAlbanian is not at all like
English is: OAlbanian didn't tolerate such long construction:

see Lat. imperator > Alb. mbret,
see Lat. magister > Alb. mjeshtër,
see Lat. praeda > Alb. pre
see Romanian madzëre > Alb. modhull
see Alb. besë > *bai-da:-tya:
see Alb. dhi > *ai-dzi-ja:
see Alb. shtatë > *sep-ta-ti
see Alb. dhjetë > *dhje-tsa-ti

=> so if you want to find an inherited word that Still have 4-
syllables in today Albanian I can bet with you that you cannot find
it...

Also if I need to compare Albanian with another existing
language I will compare first with Romanian (for obvious reasons:
they have shared about 45%-50% of their vocabulary Latin & NoN-Latin
at the end of sec VI CE ) even the contractions in Romanian are not
at all such impressives as in Albanian...

Best Regards,
Marius





Best Regards,
Marius

more like Romanian than