Re: [tied] Question on Albanian sy

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 42143
Date: 2005-11-18

> It doesn't matter. Since according to Hamp /sy:/ has been modelled
on
> /dy:/, _whatever_ explains the form of 'two' (and it has to be
explained
> _somehow_) will work for 'eyes' as well. If you wish to
derive /sy:/
> from contracted *(a)c^i:-u:, fine, be my guest, but what is the
final
> *u:? If it's the same as in Hamp's explanation, i.e. a secondary
dual
> ending derived from the numeral, you need what you call a "local"
> solution, as much as Hamp does or I do, to account for it. And
once you
> accept that, what do you need the *i: for any longer? *(a)c^-u:
will do
> the job equally well. Now, if you have two competing
reconstructions,
> both of which yield the same output, the simpler one is to be
preferred
> under Ockham's razor.
>
> Piotr


Hello Piotr,

Your logic above was 'good enough' (-> I mean by this: one of the
best that I could read from you :) )...so after your last message, I
have considered the thread closed and I was ready 'to accomodate in
my mind' *(a)c^-u: in place of *(a)c^i:-u: ...

But after one day, I remembered that the originar Albanian form
was /sy:/ not /sy/ (as you have also marked in your messages)

A form *ac^-u: would have been generated Only a short y not a long
one...because the rule is u: > y, so we need more than Only a single
u: to can explain the long y:

On the other hand, the i:u: in *ac^i:-u: has a great probability to
be the source of an /y:/ (even I don't know a second example to
sustain an Albanian Rule i:u: > y: and of course we cannot write
i:u: > (iu): as 'sometimes' is possible to be written in
Mathemathics, at least iu, ui gave y on a regular basis in Albanian )

Best Regards,
Marius


P.S.

1. if a) it was *ac^i:-u: and
if b) (based on Hamp) we have here the same pattern as in dy:

then the derivation of Alb. dy: could be PAlb *dwai:-u: < PIE
*dwo-ih1 (+ -o:u < *eh3u).
For what reasons *dwo-ih1- was rejected as source of /dy:/?

2. (No link with the topic above) but could you explain why you have
written (a) in (a)c^-u:? I asked this, because the initial a was for
sure there in Dacian Times.