From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 42079
Date: 2005-11-12
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From: "mkelkar2003" <smykelkar@...>
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Subject: [tied] Re: Proto Vedic Continuity Theory of Bharatiya (Indian)
Languages
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-
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> From: "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@...>
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> Subject: [tied] Re: Proto Vedic Continuity Theory of Bharatiya
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> > The start date of 6500 > BCE relates to the find of the burial of
> a woman at Mehergarh wearing > wide s'ankha bangle and s'ankha
> ornaments. (s'ankha = turbinella pyrum > which is native and
> indigenous to the coastline of bharatam and an > industry which
> continues even today in Gulf of Mannar (Tiruchendur, >
> Ki_r..akkarai) and the s'ankha dvi_pa near Surat, Gujarat. S'ankha
is
> > a metaphor which defines early hindu civilization and the work of
> > riverine, maritime people in evolving this civilization from
Nahali
> > base (Tapati river valley not far from Bhimbhetka)
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> Patrick:
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> For whatever it may be worth to however few, my own work suggests
the the
> most ancient word I can reconstruct for 'property' was *HHA-KXHO,
> 'sea-shell', reflected in, among other languages, PIE *e:ik-,
Sumerian ak,
> and Egyptian jx.t.
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The thread is probabaly going to get off topic for Cybalist. Thanks
to the moderator for approving this one.
This is a remarkable insight from Patrick Ryan. Thanks, Patrick.
In our view, this authenticates protovedic continuity theory since
s'ankha is related to an industry and a cultural metaphor of
extraordinary significance for bharatam janam.
Is sangam in Tamil relatable to s'ankha in Vedic (s'ankha
kr.s'a_nah 's'ankha bowman' -- Rigveda, Atharvaveda) and to
sak 'conch' (Santali)? Sanga is a priest in Sumerian; sanghvi_ is a
pilgrim-leader in Gujarati. No wonder s'ankha nidhi is one of the
nava-nidhi of Kubera.
In Sumerian -ak numeric suffix /Götz (ng>k)
http://www.turulmadar.hu/hunok/Szum-a.html
Cowries (<kaud.i in Hindi) could be early numeric counters; cowries
later become monetary units. Sumerian form 'ak' is relatable to
sak 'conch, turbinella pyrum' (Santali) The surprising find by
Kenoyer is that turbinella pyrum is indigenous to hindumahasagar,
and is a species which does not occur anywhere else excepting Makran
coast (south of Karachi), Gulf of Kutch, Gulf of Khambat and Gulf of
Mannar (Ki_r..akkarai, Tiruchendur). Hence, names such as s'ankha
dvi_pa (Skt.), s'angu kul.ittal 'pearl diving' (Ta.)
The early words for s'ankha in bharatiya languages:
1423 Ma. kakka shell, cockle. Te. kaki cippa a bivalve shell. Kol.
kake (Kin.) shellfish, (Pat., p. 35) shell of snail. Nk. kake
shellfish, snail. / ? Cf. Skt. kakini-, kakini- a small coin; (lex.)
the shell Cypraea moneta.
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Patrick:
I am glad if anything I have written serves as a stimulus to further
discussion.
However, I must inform you, that so far as I can see, Sumerian ak is related
only to Old Indian <i:çe> and could not be related to Sumerian <sanga>,
'priest', which is, actually, related to PIE *sa(n)k-, 'holy'. Old Indian
<çankhá->, which derives from PIE *k^onkho-, is relatable to <i:çe> only
insofar that they share a common /kH/, which has been palatalized in <i:çe>.
The only possibility I can offer, and I am not convinced by any means, is
that <çankhá-> might be the result of ^ken-, 'empty' + **kho, '(bivalve)
shell' = 'conch'.
The usually referent for **kho is a bivalve shell not a conch; and the
overwhelming number of associations with it are for 'cutting' not
'adornment' or 'wealth'. Think in terms of sharp-edged clam shells, a
natural edge for ancient man.
Hoping this is of interest.