[tied] Re: Sanskrit Rta... and related terms

David,

A heartfelt thank you for your detailed response! You seem to have
fully answered all of my questions as well as grasped precisely what
I had been hoping to discover (evidence of European terms implying
something akin to Rta)

I will try to be brief in making sure I have simply got it all down:


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson"
<liberty@...> wrote:

>
> "H2rtó-" is the short answer
> to your question, about "the final PIE term (before the
> switch to a purely I-I term)".

Thank you, I needed it spelled out for me. I'll admit to being rather
slow at this.
I'd also like to apologize for not having grasped the finer
distinctions between linguistic "antecedents" and "roots", hopefully
I now have a handle on the matter.

> So while 'rta-' and 'asha-' evolved from
> a Proto-Indo-Iranian *H2rtá-,

So the Proto-Indo-Iranian *H2rtá- was the/an antecedent of rta- and
asha-.

>
> Well as per above, there can be no missing links between
> them because P.I.I. *H2rtá- didn't evolve from P.I.E.
> *H2ar-, but rather from P.I.E. *H2rtó-.

So PIE *H2rtó- > PII *H2rtá- > both rta- and asha-

> If I may say so, I suspect that you're trying to find
> connections for the European forms with the cosmological
> significance attached to the Indo-Iranian derivatives
> of *H2rtá-, but which I'm afraid simply don't exist.

That was precisely my hope :^)

> The
> original meaning of the P.I.E. root was purely mundane,
> and referred to the proper assembling, setting up, or
> outfitting of something. In this way, at one time and in
> the Indo-Iranian branch alone, the word for "(properly)
> fitted, put together" was used to name the Proto-Indo-
> Iranians concept of the greater world order, but even in
> Indo-Iranian that specialized meaning was one only of
> the extended form *H2rtá- and its reflexes, not of its
> root *H2ar- or any of its other extensions.
>
> David

Your closing paragraph summarized the issue nicely for me. Sadly
(from my POV), having read your words, it seems there is no evidence
to support a cognate to Rta among the European languages - so much
for the ambition of discovering one!

Again, I am deeply indebted to you for taking the time to thoroughly
explain this all.

Sincerely,
Aydan