--- david_russell_watson <
liberty@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos"
> <stlatos@...> wrote:
> > t > s and d > z after voiced velar stop (g, gh,
> g^, gW, etc.) but
> > not at morpheme boundaries
>
> *s became phonetically [zh] immediately following
> any voiced
> aspirated stop, whether velar or not, but not after
> a plain
> voiced stop.
Then why *bhendhsye- to Sanskrit bhantsyati instead
of **bandzhyati or something like that? It's
necessary to have morpheme boundaries in the rule.
Are you saying you disagree that earth was something
like *ghdo:m so no d>z is necessary, only z>zh?
> > t > s after r. or l. (in Iranian only, optional)
>
> Too many "optional" rules make for an unconvincing
> theory.
There are many optional rules in Avestan in standard
descriptions.
> > s > s. and z > z. after velar, retroflex C, or
> high vowel n > n.
>
> Where do we see an example of this supposed change
> of n > n.?
In pu:r-n.a- full, dak-s.i-n.a- right, for example.
> > as above (in IA only at boundaries; in Iranian
> only word-final
> > (-r.ns > -r.n.s.))
>
> So then you posit retroflex consonants for
> Proto-Indo-Iranian?
Yes.
> Do you extend them to the common-Satem stage too?
At least in Slavic.
> When do you
> place the RUKI change in all of this,
This is the RUKI change but u, i, r, l, gh, k, etc.
all cause retroflexing (since l>r and gz.>ks. in Sans.
it wasn't described as it occurred in the Proto-L).
> or the change
> of Satem
> (pre-)palatal affricates to fricatives before a
> dental, etc.?
I don't have it.
ok^to:u yeksti seks dweik^t dwik^tó dwik^sdhwói
ok^to:u yeksti seks dweik^t dwik^tó dwik^dhwói
ok^to:u yeksti seks dweik^t dwik^tó dwig^dhwói
ok^to:u yeksti seks dweik^s dwik^tó dwig^dhwói
ok^to:u yeksti seks dweiks dwik^tó dwig^dhwói
ok^to:u yeks.ti seks. dweiks. dwik^tó dwig^dhwói
ok^to:u yeks.t.i seks. dweiks. dwik^tó dwig^dhwói
otto:u yeks.t.i seks. dweiks. dwittó dwiddhwói
otto:u yet.s.t.i set.s.dweit.s.dwittó dwiddhwói
atta:u yat.s.t.i sat.s.dwait.s.dwittá dwiddhwái
atta:u yat.s.t.i sat.s.dwet.s. dwittá dwiddhwé
attau yat.s.t.i sat.s.dwet.s. dwittá dwiddhwé
at.s.tau yat.s.t.i sat.s.dwet.s. dwit.s.tá dwid.z.dhwé
at.s.tau yat.s.t.i sat.s.dwet.s. dwit.s.tá dwid.dhwé
at.s.t.auyat.s.t.i sat.s.dwet.s. dwit.s.t.ádwid.d.hwé
at.s.t.auyat.s.t.i sat.s dwet.s dwit.s.t.ádwid.d.hwé
at.s.t.auyat.s.t.i sat. dwet. dwit.s.t.ádwid.d.hwé
as.t.au yas.t.i sat. dwet. dwis.t.á dwid.d.hwé
as.t.au yas.t.i sat. dvet. dvis.t.á dvid.d.hvé
eight branch six hates, etc.
s>0 between obstruents
voice assimilation
t>s (after k in same syllable)
depalatalization before s
RUKI retroflexing
retro. spreads to touching dentals
pal. velars to affricates
k > t. before s. in same syl.
e/o > a
ai > e:
a:u > au
alveopalatal obstr. > retroflex at end of syl.
z. > 0 (earlier z and z. already gone)
retro. spreads to touching dentals
cons. > -retro. word-final
s > 0 after cons. word-final
t. > 0 before s. in syl.
w > (v)
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