Re: [tied] Jastorf

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> Something I forgot to mention:
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> If Jastorf is a culture that was "overrun", as was the Nordwestblock
> area, by something that came out of Thuringia, it should be possible
> to find uncompounded placenames in P- in that area (two-element ones,
> with a first element in P-, of which there are a few in the Jastorf
> area, might be, as Kuhn points out, later and "colonial", i.e.
> derivative of a placename in P- from outside the area). The only two I
> can find, using a good tourist map, are Plön and Preetz in Holstein.
> The former looks promising, cognate with Latin 'planum' (Kuhn has a
> Plön in the Nordwestblock area), the latter is suspiciuosly close to
> the formerly Slavic Wagria and might itself be Slavic. Anybody have a
> suggestion?
>Torsten

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Googling around, I find Plön goes back to an attested Slavic Plune.
The one etymology for this I find is:
"Im Zuge der Völkerwanderung gelangten während des 7. Jahrhunderts
slawische Stämme in den Plöner Raum. Auf der großen, Plön
vorgelagerten Insel „Olsborg" errichteten sie eine umfangreiche
Befestigungsanlage. Sie nannten ihre Festung „Plune", was „eisfreies
Wasser" bedeutet."
This looks suspiciously like a guess, based on the modern Russian
(and now international) 'polynya' "open water in an icefield" (generally
marine). Ultimately this does derive from the same root as Latin
'planum' (Watkins' pele-2), so Torsten would be right.
I'll be back if I can find anything on Preetz.
Dan