[tied] Re: Pronunciation of "r" - again?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>
wrote:

>
> -- I am very much aware of the official Hindi/Gujarati/Punjabi
> etc. "v/w" made as you describe (although I never knew it had
> velar coarticulation!),

Well, just like the back "rounded" glide of many languages,
although I'm not entirely sure that the velar articulation
is present in every case of this sort of 'v', since as we've
been discussing, this sound is a often a form of 'w' on its
way to becoming a fricative 'v', so the velar articulation
surely often drops off somewhere along the way.

> > his 'r'-s, not 'v'-s, in the same way!
>
> -- Are you referring to those who are supposed to pronounce

their "r"'s as "w"'s?

Well no, it did seem different again from that, but who knows
if more people don't do it than I've realized.

> Does Dutch really have the labiodental approximant, or has it
> evolved to /v/?

Oh I couldn't tell you. The only thing I know about Dutch is
that it's spoken in both Holland, and the Netherlands. ;^)

David