Re: Pronunciation of "r" - again?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "squilluncus" <grvs@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> > Here's something about the pronounciation of written -ag- in
> Danish:
> >
> > There are two prnunciations
> > 1) /äI/ (or /ä?I/)
> > 2) /aU/ (or /aU?/)
> >
>
> > but consider this
> > 'et slag /slä?I/ in ansigtet' "a slap in the face"
> > 'et slag /slaW/ på tasken' lit. "a slap on the bag", ie "ballpark
> > figure"
> > and
> > 'slag' "battle", always /slä?I/
> >
>
> It has nothing to do with following consonant or vowel?
> 'et slag /slaW/ paa kaeften' (which you risk when giving a
> Swede 'ett slag på tasken').
> 'et slag /slä?I/ under baeltet'.

No.

> I note also 'fag' /fä?/ but 'faglig' /faWli).
>

-as long as it's a separate word, as you've noted.

> > further
> > ''dag' (< 'goddag') either
> > /dä?I/ "hello" (formal) or
> > /daU?/ "hello" (informal)
>
> You've also got /daUs/, even more informal. In Swedish we've also
> got the informal genitive 'goddagens'.
> Can't /daUs/ have influenced the pronunciation /daU)?

I don't think so.

>
> > Also note
> > 'bøg' /bø?G/ "beech", 'løg' /loI?/ "onion"
> > 'eg' /e?G/ "oak", 'steg' /staI?/ "steak"
> >
>
> Pfooih! I'm glad not to be descriptive linguist of Danish!
> The Copenhagen dialect is said to be in a rapid development
> unprecedented only by Langue d'ouïl in 13th century.
> I've heard there are very distinct differences between parents,
> children and grandchildren.

Actors appearing in 50's movies say children ask them: "Did you
really speak like that then?"


Torsten