From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 40560
Date: 2005-09-24
> From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>If it be naive to distinguish brackets from slants, I
>> At 8:49:39 PM on Friday, September 23, 2005, Patrick Ryan
>> wrote:
>>>>> And even then, in only _15%_ of the instances does [t]
>>>>> become [?] -
>>>> You mean that /t/ is realized as [?]; there was no [t] in
>>>> the first place in these utterances.
>>> Read it again. What does "final-/t/" mean? OOPS! How
>>> obvious! It does not mean /t/.
>> Why yes, it *does* mean /t/, when the choice is between that
>> and the [t] that you wrote; it just doesn't refer to all
>> instances of /t/.
> How naïf! [t] does not occur in GA unless it reflects <t>
> and /t/.
>>>> And at least one of the references that I cited a fewAs one would expect, the abstract omits the detailed data.
>>>> hours ago adds some independent data. The Dautricourt
>>>> abstract notes that:
>>>> In a dataset consisting of over 400 tokens, comprising all
>>>> /t,d#y/ word pairs in hour-long interviews with 16
>>>> speakers, four variants predominated in the following
>>>> decreasing order of frequency: glottal stop, palatal
>>>> affricates, alveolar stops, and (alveolar stop) deletion.
>>> This does not bear on the question.
>> On the contrary, it is (in part) precisely to the point, as
>> it refers to a subset of the class of syllable-final /t/
>> (and /d/, which indeed is not directly to the point).
> Then tell me, O better reader, what percentage of the
> people in the study _use_ [?] for final /t/; and how
> often.