Re: [tied] russian vor [was: IE thematic presents and the origin of

Grzegorz Jagodzinski wrote:

>>>... I
>>>vaguely remember that the word is an early Finnic
>>>loan in Russian, cf.
>>>Finnish varas.
>
>
> Vasmer denies it.

Yes, but why? Because of the Germanic connections of varas/varkaan? How
does that affect the possibility that the Finnic nom.sg. varas was
borrowed as *vorU into early Russian?

> Vasmer believes this word to be related with Greek rhe:tor and esp. eiro:n <
> *erio:n "a man who says different things than he thinks", "liar". Trubachev
> comments that this word is only Great Russian and it can be related with
> vre^ti 'to boil' or with za-veret' 'to close' (ibidem).

Again, the limited geographical distribution of the word makes me prefer
the Finnic loan hypothesis to any of those fanciful PIE etymologies,
which, needless to say, can't all be true.

Piotr