Re: Re[6]: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "Patrick Ryan" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: Re[6]: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]


> At 7:23:29 PM on Friday, September 23, 2005, Patrick Ryan
> wrote:
>
> > From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
>
> >> At 6:14:22 PM on Friday, September 23, 2005, Patrick Ryan
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> [a] is not a front vowel.
>
> >> Handbook of the International Phonetic Association, 1999,
> >> p. 166, is a table of IPA symbols, their names, a
> >> phonetic description, the IPA number, the UCS code, and
> >> the AFII code. The first line:
>
> >> a Lower-case A Open front unrounded vowel 304 0061 E25B
> >> ^^^^
> >> (Emphasis added.)

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> > Well, according to the IPA, [a] is a front vowel more open
> > than [æ];
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> No, according to the IPA [a] is an open front unrounded
> vowel, and [æ] is a near-open front unrounded vowel. There
> is no specification of relative frontness, only of relative
> openness.
>
> Brian

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Patrick:

No wonder you like Ladefoged.

Read what I wrote again, this time with comprehension.

I wrote "more open" not "more to the front". [a] is more open than [æ]
according to IPA conventions. "OPEN" is more open than "NEAR OPEN".

Finally get it?

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