Re: Re[2]: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "Rob" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: Re[2]: ka and k^a [was: [tied] *kW- "?"]


> At 10:30:10 on Friday, 23 September 2005, Rob wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> >> At 9:19:04 on Friday, 23 September 2005, Rob wrote:
>
> >>> Yes, Magyar /a/ = [O] (i.e. British English short 'o'),
>
> >> I have also heard realizations (from native speakers)
> >> that were closer to [A.].
>
> > What does the dot in "[A.]" mean?
>
> [A.] is IPA turned-script-a, low back rounded.
>
> >>>> And what about English, esp. British? Has it /a/?
>
> >>> Not really, from what I understand. Even words like
> >>> "father", in British English, are often pronounced like
> >>> "fother".
>
> >> /A:/ in the <father> words, /A./ in the <lot> words.
>
> > Sometimes, to be sure. Oftentimes, though, I hear them as
> > [fO:D@] and [lO?], respectively.
>
> Please note that I wrote slants, not brackets. (None the
> less, I don't think that I've heard [O:] in <father>; [A.:],
> perhaps, but not [O:].)
>
> > (Being an American, I say [fa:Dr\=] and [la?].)
>
> And I, being a rather atypical American, say [fA:D&] and
> either [lA.t] or the same with simultaneous [t] and [?] (and
> with a vowel that occasionally wanders towards [A]).
>
> Brian

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Patrick:

I doubt very seriously that anyone can pronounce /t/ and /?/ simultaneously,
which would be a sound that no language known to me has.

For /?/ to be pronounced, the air-flow has to be stopped at the glottis.
This would mean that even if one subsequently stopped the glotally released
air-flow at the alveoli, what was being pronounced would properly be notated
as /?t/.

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