Re: [tied] Re: Ianus - PIE Origin?

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 40386
Date: 2005-09-23

Is there any register who prove the existence of such
couple Jupiter/Diana?

Is the equation Diana=Moon a reflex of archaic Roman
Mythology or later Greek influence? Or a Greek
influence through Etruscan?


Joao SL
--- Grzegorz Jagodzinski <grzegorj2000@...>
escreveu:


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Patrick Ryan wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:24 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Ianus - PIE Origin?
>
> Patrick:
>
> The dualism expressed by Janus' two faces relates
more easily to the
> complementary waxing and waning phases of the moon.

Of course yes! No relation with "going" then.

> If Ja:na was the
> female moon, Ja:nus was probably the male moon-god.
As for an
> etymology, my choice would be to derive them from
*ya:-, speak
> excitedly, cast a spell'.

Ja:na seems to be a form of Dia:na, "Göttin der Jagd,
des Mondes, der
Geburt" (Wörterbuch Lateinisch-Deutsch, G. Löwe et
al.). Personally, I see
here the IE alternation *diV ~ *diiV, cf. Greek bio- ~
dzo:- < *gWiio- ~
*gWio-, or Slavic dUva vs Lat. duo '2'.

And what concerns Ja:nus and Dia:na and their meaning,
compare Etruscan Tiu,
Tiw 'moon's deity'. Anyway, all the rest, like "going"
or "casting"
etymologies, seems like true abstraction.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/religion.html may
be a good starting
point for further study.

Diana may be the Latin equivalent of Thalna (and her
Latin name may be a
cognomen: Thalna Diana = Thalna daughter of Tiw),
Jovis/Juppiter < *Djovis
(~ deus) = Tinia, a sun deity (the result of the
difference between IE and
Etruscan mythology), cf. Slavic dInI 'day'. Janus can
be the male partner of
Diana, and the form of his name has been formed under
the influence of
Etruscan Ani (of 2 possible forms, *Dianus and Janus,
the latter won).

Or: Janus is just Etruscan Ani contaminated with Tiw.

Grzegorz J.



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