From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 40328
Date: 2005-09-22
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From: "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Ianus - PIE Origin?
>
> If he was a moon-god, his name could be linked to
> Egyptian yah "moon" (akin to Greek Io:), what do you
> think?
>
> Joao SL
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> escreveu:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:24 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Ianus - PIE Origin?
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>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> > <alexandru_mg3@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Could somebody help with a PIE root and the
> derivation of Ianus
> > > >
> > > > I could find PIE *ia: from the PIE *ei - 'to
> go'
> > > >
> > > > URL:
> > > > http://64.233.183.104/search?
> > > >
> q=cache:d2b35w8ckmAJ:www.bookrags.com/other/religion/janus-eorl-
> > > > 07.html+Ianus+indo+european&hl=en
> > > >
> > >
> > > I've seen him matched with 'Diana'.
> > >
> > >
> > > Torsten
> > *********
> > Puhvel "Comparative Mythology", which I take as
> pretty reliable on
> > etymology, has "Other figures had nonce names: the
> two-faced Janus was
> > literally 'Gateway', the numen of entrances and
> beginnings."
> > Dumezil "Archaic Roman Religion" has "The
> probable etymology of
> > his name, a stem in -o, or, archaically, -a stem in
> -u- ... identifies
> > him as 'passage'. It is built on the base *y-a-, an
> expansion of *ei,
> > which, in the other Indo-European languages where
> it has produced a
> > derivative, also indicates a passage: the Irish
> 'ath' ..from *ya-tu-
> > means 'ford'." He also has a footnote doubting
> Ernout's suggestion
> > that Janus may come from the Etruscan, "it is easier
> to imagine the
> > transition of 'Janus' to Etruscan 'Ani' than the
> reverse."
> > On the other hand, my 1857 Keightley's Classical
> Mythology, which
> > is unreliable for etymology, but does generally get
> the facts of
> > mythology straight, has "An ancient Latin name for
> the Moon was Jana.
> > In the Salian hymns she was invoked as Deiva Jana,
> which became
> > Deivjana, and ultimately Diana. ... The masculine
> of Jana is Janus."
> > and goes on to speculate that, if Jana was the Moon,
> Janus must be the
> > Sun (with some supporting, if not convincing,
> evidence).
> > Dan Milton
>
> ***
> Patrick:
>
> The dualism expressed by Janus' two faces relates more
> easily to the
> complementary waxing and waning phases of the moon. If
> Ja:na was the female
> moon, Ja:nus was probably the male moon-god. As for an
> etymology, my choice
> would be to derive them from *ya:-, speak excitedly,
> cast a spell'.
>
> ***
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