Re: [tied] *kW- "?"

From: glen gordon
Message: 40001
Date: 2005-09-14

Torsten:
> The premise (1) is a well-established fact, afaIk.

It's not.


> It seems logical that the interrogative use of the
> kW- pronouns is derived from [...] their use as
> relatives;

The mere _possibility_ of something doesn't make it
significantly _probable_, nor do we know when such
a hypothetical shift of meaning would have occured,
whether a thousand years before IE or ten thousand,
**assuming** that it existed. And assumption is a
logical sin.

Irrelevant conjecture.


> And a language that uses coordination, not
> subordination, needs no relative pronouns.

Can you be sure that this was the state of affairs
in pre-IE? No. Not without a tighter theory backing
your claims. So far, your "theory" involves randomly
stating each day a new series of what-ifs. Your ideas
have no basis, consistency or structure so far.


> That's because you think of it as a phonetically
> distinct separate PIE phoneme. I think so-called
> *k^ (etc) was actually in PIE a *k with allophones
> *k/*c^ depending on its various environments,

Which is impossible for IE.

We already have gone over and proven with simple
linguistic principles time and time again on this
list and the Nostratic list that IE itself could
***NOT*** have had palatal velar stops despite the
stubborn tradition of writing them this way. You
continue with this irrational rot but it will
continue to fall on deaf ears that know better.
Traditional "plain" *k is really *q and "palatal"
*k^ is really *k. The end.


>> Why 1500 BCE? Where did you pull that date from?
>
> The assumed entry of the Sanskrit-speakers into
> India.

I guess you don't grasp that the homeland of the
Indo-Iranians is settled by the presence of Finno-
Ugric loanwords, do you. This unquestionably pins
them north of the Caspian Sea at around 2500 BCE, so
there cannot be any doubt by anyone not obsessed by
conspiracy theories from what direction the Sanskrit
language originated. It ain't the Mediterranean.


= gLeN




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