Re: [tied] The language of Schytians

--- Michael Smith <mytoyneighborhood@...>
wrote:

> Thoughts?:
>
>
> --- In scythia@yahoogroups.com, Tonyukuk Kagan
> <tonyukuk_kagan@...>
> wrote:
>
> The most politically and convincing hyphotesis put
> forward regarding
> the language of Schytians up to this day

*****GK: Many different groups were known by that
appellative over the ages. And they spoke different
languages. Herodotus' "Royal Scythians" were
indubitably Iranic-speakers, but their state contained
"Scythians" who spoke other languages. One could argue
that "Scythians" spoke a Germanic dialect since a
number of authors believed the Goths to be
"Scythians". The Huns were also "Scythians" to some,
and later the Pechenegs. So Turkic qualifies as a
"Scythian" language...But since the best known and
most famous "Scythians" were those of Herodotus, all
other hypotheses must be viewed as equivocal
footnotes.*****

is that the

> one that is of
> the opinion that They spoke a Proto- Bulgaric
> (Turkic) dialect. I
> will touch upon some of linquistic materials which
> have survived to
> the present day from Schytian below.I will try to
> denoting the quite
> appearent connections between Proto-Bulgars and
> Schytians by the
> light of written sources in my spare time)
>
> No inquistic text belonging to Schytians with the
> exception of that
> written on a silver cup written on a flat silver
> drinking-cup, was
> found in 1970 in a royal tomb unearthed in the
> vicinity of the
> Kazakh capital Alma-atý.

******GK: What time frame? Herodotus spoke of a group
of "Royal Scythians" considerably to the east, but I
doubt that silver cup belonged to them...*****

It was easily deciphered

> with the help of
> Turkic.Olcas Suleymanov read it in that way;
> Suleymanov's
> decipherment is accepted to be the most convincing
> one in the
> scholarly milieu.
>
> Han uya üç otuzu (da) yok boltý, utýgsý tozýltý.
> ''the son of the
> Khan died when he was 13 with his death His people
> died out
>
> Indo-Europanist's failure to decipher ýt with the
> means of Iranian
> dialects is publicly known and Nothing has resulted
> from their
> attemps to explain the same writing as yet.
>
> Outside of the Schytian writing found in the
> vicinity of Alma-
> atý .The most significant Schytian linquistic
> materials are those
> decipherment by Andreas David Mortdman.What are
> mentioned below
> revolve around the linquistic relics Schytians left
> found on the
> cuneiform tablets built of bricks in the
> neighboorhood of the city
> of Sus deciphered by Mordtmann .Schytians are
> reputed to have left
> those linquistic relics during their raids into the
> region under
> the authority of Persian empire.

*****GK: Again, what groups are we talking about?
Certainly not Herodotus' Royal Scythians...*****

The list of

> Mordtmann is as stated
> below
>
>

Anira,Arta,Ata,Attata,Attari,Atýva,Atza,Balu,Dalva,Dalva

>
> açtý,Dalduka,Dalduk,Du,Evidu,
>
>

Gami,Gik,I,Ývaka,Kappika,Karata,Katzavana,Kýçý,Kutis,Kutta,Piri,Rilu,

> Chagra,Çatanika,Taka,Tan,Tap
>
>

Tarna,tarti,Taufa,Týrý,Ufarri,Ut,Vara,Val,Tarra,Vit,Vurun

>
> The most remerkable feature associated with those
> words is that
> Almost all of verbs have Turkic origin. In regard to
> the fact that
> Any language cannot easily borrow verbs from another
> one,Mordtmann
> appreciated the view that the language of Schytians
> was a Turkic
> dialect.
>
> As opposide to Iranic assumption,the baseles view
> based on political
> reasons rather than historical and linquistic
> ones,Turkic theory is
> unrivalled at being candidate for their language.

*****GK: Sounds like a petitio principii laced with
heavy doses of kookery to me....******

The

> worst part is
> that Heredotus,our seemingly only source about
> Schytians, who writes
> about a Persian invasion of Schytia very
> specifically says that
> Schytians were all the way different from Iranic
> speaking Persians
> both linquistically and culturally.

*****GK: Must be a Turkic copy of Herodotus
(:=)))*****

This also

> contradicts to Iranic
> theory.I will explain ,in the future, more detailed
> information
> concerning Schytian linquistic materials If
> necessary

*******GK: Don't hold your breath******

>
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