Re: [tied] 1sg. -o: [was Re: IE Thematic Vowel Rule]

From: glen gordon
Message: 39848
Date: 2005-09-01

Miguel:
> In other words: there are no hysterodynamic neuters,
> m-stems or otherwise.

Alright, I give up, but not exactly because of this
point. Thinking more on this, I have to admit that
if I should pursue this idea any further, there is an
another unsurmountable problem within the context
of my theory regarding *yugom.

'Nominative Misanalysis' of genitival stems would
have occured centuries before Vowel Shift and the
hypothesized change of 1ps thematic *-omi > *-owi
> *-o:. So the *m should in fact be lost long before
(ie: *-om is misanalysed to *-o-m in the originally
endingless NAV cases).

Sigh. Thanx for the resistence, Miguel :) You win
this round.

Nonetheless, I don't think it's a great sin for me
to ponder on whether a regular sound change is behind
the development of *-o:. I still think that the only
possible origin of it is via earlier *-o-mi. The more
I think about it, the nasalization from *m would
probably have transfered to the following *i in this
unstressed intervocalic environment.

Now, I don't know about your general view on /i~/ in
languages but I don't see that often in the world.
I'd think it's likely for the nasality itself to
quickly sink /i~/ to /e~/. That would yield */-o(w)e~/
out of earlier *-o-mi, which then can very easily
become our lovely suffix *-o: by the concatenation of
*o and *e.


> It just proves that neuter thematics like *yugóm
> are really thematics, not m-stems, and that it's
> absolutely out of the question that the -m belongs
> to the stem.

While I admit *yugom probably doesn't have to do with
*-o: like I thought earlier, there is no way that
you can miss the fact that thematic nouns (which
mirror their adjectival counterparts) are originally
genitival derivatives in gen.sg *-os (> animate
*-o-s) and gen.pl *-om (> inanimate collective *-o-m).

So, yes, *-m _must_ have once been part of the stem
whether you like it or not.

There is nothing that you've posted yet that can
better explain the origin of the (pseudo)suffix *-m
in the inanimate thematics. Without the event of
Nominative Misanalysis, you're grasping in the dark
on the etymological source of this 'inanimate' *-m
and you run the danger of reconstructing phantom
morphology in Nostratic.


= gLeN




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