Re: [tied] 1sg. -o: [was Re: IE Thematic Vowel Rule]

From: glen gordon
Message: 39772
Date: 2005-08-25

Miguel:
> Correction: that should be -oCs/-oCh2 (it doesn't
> have to be a resonant, as in po:ds, nepo:ts, etc.)

Oh, you're referring to Clipping, a corollary of
Syncope affecting certain oft-used suffixes, yes,
but that can't produce final *-o:, of course, so
this is irrelevant to the case of 1ps *-o:.


> No: you can't separate the neuter locative from the
> masculine locative. There is no difference between
> masculine and neuter in the oblique. Loc. *h1ek^w-
> o-i, *yug-o-i.

Gender has nothing to do with it. The first stem
is *?ekwo-, the second is *yugom-. The second ends
in *m and that's what makes the difference.

Wait, don't type a response to that in haste just
yet...

I'm aware that many like to confuse matters and
assume that *-m is the 'accusative' in *yugom- but we
all know that there is no such thing as an 'inanimate
accusative' marked with *-m in IE. So let's end that
ungrammatical analysis once and for all. The stem
can be understood as *yugom- with *m disappearing in
the locative before *i due to this very sound rule.

This sound change is necessary to explain this odd
disappearance.


>> *-ómi > *-ówi > *-ói
>> *-omi > *-owi > *-o:
>
> There isn't a single shred of evidence to support
> such an accent-conditioned split.

I beg to differ, my Migg-ster. There is 1ps *-o: which
anyone can see is expected to be **-o-mi because of
2ps *-e-si and 3ps *-e-ti. That's just common sense.

I've also shown how *yugom- loses *m in the locative
between *o and *i. The difference between the first
and the second piece of evidence I offer is only
accent placement. (I disagree with Piotr that accented
duratives are ancient... they are very much recent.)

We also have the case of the dialectal change of
oblique cases in *-bHi- to *-mi-. This has long been
known to have occured. But why? One motivation for
this post-IE shift could very likely be the fact that
a sequence of *-omi- was otherwise lacking because of
the sound change rule I suggest. So starting in
thematic stems, *-o-bHi- could be pronounced *-o-mi-
since there would not have been a contrast between
the two sequences anyway.


= gLeN


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