Re: [tied] Re: Slavic ptc.praes.act.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:08:14 +0000, pielewe
<wrvermeer@...> wrote:

>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:54:56 +0000, pielewe
>> <wrvermeer@...> wrote:
>
>
>> The textbook (Leskien-9) does mention it:
>
>
>> "Eine glagolitische Nebenform des [SMALL YUS], nämlich [
>> SMALL YUS], wird nur nur im N. sg. m. der Partizipien wie
>> <nesy> angewandt [..], die Aussprache ist nicht sicher
>> bestimmbar"
>
>> Apparently, this variant was beyond the typographical
>> possibilities of Carl Winter Universitätsverlag in 1969.
>
>
>Leskien-9 is a photocopy reproducing the last edition that was
>produced while Leskien was still alive (1910), with minor changes of
>the type you can introduce without disturbing the original lay-out
>etc. In the quoted passage there is an extra space after "nämlich"

Damn, I quoted it with extra spaces [ SMALL YUS], but they
coincided with a line break...

>and I have always wondered if the original edition perhaps did have
>the tail, but I never could muster up the energy to inspect it.
>
>The extra letter is mentioned in every reasonably good grammar, e.g.
>(in addition to Leskien) Van Wijk (1931: 191), Diels (1932/1963: 31),
>Meillet (Slave commun 1934: 334), Trubetzkoy (1954: 36), Schaeken &
>Birnbaum (1999: 78), but usually in passing.
>
>Back when people still believed OCS was a language with a regular
>contrast of hard and soft consonants (the Russian way), the letter
>was interpreted as indicating an <eN> preceded by a hard consonant.
>The ending could then be explained as an analogical intrusion from
>the soft inflection (see, e.g. Meillet, who neatly explains why the
>special letter is particularly frequent in the definite vorm).
>However, after that idea was abandoned, nothing was left but to
>assume that some dialects of the language underlying OCS had an extra
>nasal vowel (e.g. Trubetzkoy).
>
>> Fortunately, it's in Unicode now (GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER
>> SMALL YUS WITH TAIL U+2C25 and GLAGOLITIC SMALL LETTER SMALL
>> YUS WITH TAIL U+2C55).
>
>
>I'm very happy, although I would be even happier if Old Cyrillic
>would be treated as entirely distinct from modern Cyrillic instead of
>a mere variant.

This might interest you (if you haven't seen it already):

http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~repertorium/resources/unicode_sofia_1_post.pdf

http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~repertorium/2002_pomorie/birnbaum_cleminson/unicode_workshop_2_post.pdf

>> There is another letter there (YO), which in the draft
>> proposal for the Glagolitic encoding is described as: "For
>> the letter ÷ even the phonetic value is uncertain: ö, jö or
>> jo have been suggested. We have used YO, which was also used
>> to name this character in ISO 6861:1996." Is there any
>> other information about this sign?
>
>
>A suitable place to look is probably Trubetzkoy's grammar
>(1954/1968). Is it the sign that has the numerical value 7000 (p. 22)?

Yes.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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