Re: [tied] Re: Short and long vowels

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From: "etherman23" <etherman23@...>
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:00 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Short and long vowels


> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
> wrote:
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > For example, if I think Egyptian d3, 'tremble', is related to PIE
> > > > *der-,
> > >
> > > I'm curious why you cite Egyptian so much. Shouldn't you be citing
> > > Afrasian forms?
> >
> > ***
> > Patrick:
> >
> > Egyptian forms are facts.
> >
> > The Afrasian reconstructions that have been done have not had wide
> > acceptance; in fact, some of them are downright amateurish. I do not
> trust
> > them, and cannot use them.
> >
> > In other contexts, I have also used Arabic but Egyptian is easiest,
> and I
> > know it better than Arabic.
>
> But it leaves us with the problems that Egyptian d may not reflect the
> Afrasian form (though according to Ehret's reconstruction Egyptian
> seems to be pretty conservative) and the Egyptian word might not even
> be of Afrasian stock.


***
Patrick:

Ehret's work, which I eagerly awaited before publication, disappointed me
and many other much better qualified Afrasianists, I understand.

In the essay I did on Afrasian (c-AFRASIAN-3.htm), I included Arabic
cognates whenever they were available. In this case, the cognate is:
ta-tartara, 'tremble'.

I suggest *T? as the earliest phoneme involved as the initial of this word;
and Egyptian <d> (/t/), PIE *d, and Arabic <t> are all in the Table of
Correspondence for *T?; and for many other words. The sign that writes
dub-2, 'tremble', also reads dar-5 in Sumerian. In my mind, there is no
doubt that dar-5 also meant 'tremble'. It is a very well-distributed root.