Re: passive, ingressive origins

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "elmeras2000" <jer@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> > I didn't know that. Thanks. So I'll stick to the
> causative/iterative
> > present stem. I suggest it can be analysed as:
> >
> > *mone- "state of thinking"
> > *-h1 essive/translative
> >
> > *mone-h1 yóm- "I impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
> > *mone-h1 is- "you (sg.) impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
> > *mone-h1 it- "he impels <obj.> to a state of thinking"
> >
> > *mone-h1 yómV- "we impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
> > *mone-h1 itV- "you (pl.) impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
> > *mone-h1 yónt- "they impel <obj.> to a state of thinking"
> >
> > where the auxiliary is
> > http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE593.html
> > but without the laryngeal.
>
> You don't say? And how does the passive participle of the causative
> *monitós, *soditós, which you apparently did not know either, fit
> into this?
>

Sihler:New Comparative grammar of Greek and Latin
"
565
Second conjunction. The -i- of the stem -itus tells us nothing ... ,
but comparative evidence sugggests it has more than one ancestor. For
causative/frequentatives such as 'monitus' "warned", the match with
Ved. -itá suggests in inherited formation in *-i-to-in which the *-i-
is the zero grade of the caus. stem ... . For statives like 'habitus'
('habe:re' "have") or 'tacitus' ('tace:re' "to be silent") the pple.
must include zero grade of the suffix *-eH1-, namely *-ato- from
*-H1-to-.
"
and to make it specific:
"
61.2a
...'mo:tus' "mo:tus", vo:tus' "vowed" from *movetos, *vovetos, 1) ...
Footnote 1)
PItal. *mowatos, *wowatos; formation like 'monitus' < *monatos
to 'moneo:'
"

So according to Sihler, there's a laryngeal stuck somewhere inside
the -i- of 'monitus'.

Or perhaps it's from *'monH1 itos' > *monH1itos > 'monitus'?


Torsten