Re: But where does *-mi come from?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Peter P" <roskis@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Peter P" <roskis@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "aquila_grande"

<aquila_grande@...>

> > wrote:
> > > Some correction about finnish:
> > >
> > > Finnish has no contemporary allative in -n, however there once

was

> > > an "lative" in some -n-like sound. To Helsinki is "Helsinkiin

<

> > > helisnki-se-n", but "Helsingin" is genitive.
> > >
> >
> > This is the illative case, -Vn.
> >
> > talo - house, nominative and stem
> > taloon - into the house. Lengthened stem and -n, in modern

Finnish.

> >
> Actually, thanks for pointing out the historical source. It's

still

> seen in some words.
> Maa - land/ground ... maahan - into/onto the ground.
> Vene - boat ... veneeseen - into the boat.
>
> So some older forms still exist outside the simple lengthened stem

and

> -n. I thought I should correct that.
>
> Peter P

All these examples are illative, and the -n of the illative is an
old lative. In the illative cases, the -n is just a part of the case
ending. All the examples derive from the illative ending -sen.

The illative case has its origine in a derivational ending -se + the
lative case ending -n.

taloon < talo-hon< talo-hen < talo-sen < talo-se-n
maa-han < maa-hen < maa - sen < maa-se-n
veneeseen < venee-sen < venee - se-n

If you just add -n, you allways get a genitive in contemporary
Finnish talon, maan, veneen.

The allative has the ending -lle, originated from a derivational
ending -la + the illative -n, as far as I remember.

These derivational endings -se and la still exist and are productive
in modern finnish.

The accusative ending -n originates from an -m and has fallen
together with genitive in the singular. However the object very
often, and sometimes the subject of an intransitive verb are placed
in the partitive case, originated from an former ablative in -ta.

Aquila