Re: [tied] Re: But where does *-mi come from?

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From: Peter P

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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:54 PM

Subject: [tied] Re: But where does *-mi come from?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Peter P" <roskis@......> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "aquila_grande" <aquila_grande@......>
> wrote:
> > Some correction about finnish:
> >
> > Finnish has no contemporary allative in -n, however there once was
> > an "lative" in some -n-like sound. To Helsinki is "Helsinkiin <
> > helisnki-se-n", but "Helsingin" is genitive.
> >
>
> This is the illative case, -Vn.
>
> talo - house, nominative and stem
> taloon - into the house. Lengthened stem and -n, in modern Finnish.
>
Actually, thanks for pointing out the historical source.  It's still
seen in some words.
Maa - land/ground ... maahan - into/onto the ground.
Vene - boat ..  veneeseen - into the boat.

So some older forms still exist outside the simple lengthened stem and
-n.  I thought I should correct that.

Peter P

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Patrick:

 

Incidentally, for whatever it may be worth, I think -*ma is the pre-Nostratic form of the element which shows up as Greenberg's Eurasiatic locative -*m, really a superlative, 'on', and as the Uralic/PIE accusative.

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