Re: [tied] Greek+Slavic

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> --- P&G <G&P@...> wrote:
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>> > Of course it [=Slavic GK]
>> >> existed somewhere at the
>> >> same time as Mycenaean Greek.
>> >
>> > GK: What is the evidence for this? Linguistic
>> I
>> > mean, since there is none from archaeology or
>> history.
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>> I don't know what you mean by [Slavic = GK].
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> ****GK: It's [=Slavic (specifying your "it" and "GK"
> means that George Knysh (=me) added the bracketed
> stuff to your text for greater comprehension of the
> snipped item], not [Slavic = GK] which is indeed
> meaningless, but which is yours.*****
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>> The evidence for the existence of Slavic (oh
>> alright, pre-Slavic) at the
>> same time as Greek, is that
>> (a) Slavic exists today
>> (b) Slavic has inherited a whole bunch of stuff from
>> PIE, as well as making
>> innovations, so its origins are connected to the
>> origins of Greek.
>> (c) The best explanation for the evidence is that
>> Slavic developed
>> continuously, over exactly the same period of time
>> that Greek and everyother
>> IE language did.
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> *****GK: Well in that sense "pre-French" or any other
> current IE language is also contemporary to Mycenaean
> Greek. A position more ideological than scientific.
> The point of course is : how can you tell whether the
> specific characteristics of Slavic, those which make
> it a distinct group of IE languages, already existed
> at the time of Mycenaean Greek. Germanic for instance
> (if one considers the Grimm shift essential for its
> identification) likely did not yet exist at that time.
> The point is not that in a sense Slavic is just as
> much a post- PIE language as anything existing
> today.****

Well, at the time of Mycenaean, some form of pre-Slavic (it was really
still Balto-Slavic probably) surely had developed some peculiar
characteristics. It is not very likely that Slavic remained the same as
PIE while Greek changed so much in the same time and it's not very likely
that BSl and Germanic, for instance, had been the same in that time. The
analogy with French is not very useful, I'm afraid.

Mate