[tied] Re: sum

From: tgpedersen
Message: 38617
Date: 2005-06-14

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
> tgpedersen writes:
>
> > 'jestem' is inflected like 'byl\em', right?
>
> Yes, you're on to something. But, again, that's handbook
knowledge. In
> early Polish the old forms of 'to be' were most often used with
the
> l-participle to form the periphrastic past tense. Since they were
often
> reduced to weak forms (rather like English 'm, 's and 're), they
were
> increasingly felt to be grammatical particles rather than full
verbs.
> 3pl. <sa,> had no weak form, and weak forms of 3sg. <jest> were
very
> rare, but both cold be omitted in the 3rd person of the preterite.
Thus,
> the past tense of 'to be' provided a model for the formation of a
new
> "strong form" of the present:
>
> sg.[m.] 1. byl/-e(s')m', 2. byl/-es', 3. byl/ (jest)
> pl.[m.] 1. byli-smy, 2. byli-s'cie, 3. byli (sa,)
>
> (There was also a dual with person-marking particles added to m.
> <byl/a->, f.n. <byle->, but since it went out of use quite early,
I'll
> skip it.)
>
> Note that the ending of the 1sg. past tense (Modern Polish -(e)m)
is
> also, historically, the weak form of Old Polish jes'm' < *h1esmi.
The
> <s'> was still there in the 15th century.
>
> Ideally, the analogical present should have looked like this:
>
> sg. 1. jest-e(s')m', 2. jest-es', 3. jest
> pl. 1. sa,-smy, 2. sa,-s'cie, 3. sa,
>
> Such forms of the 1/2pl. indeed coexisted with others in the 15th
c. and
> later, but were eventually eliminated by their doubly analogical
> competitors:
>
> pl. 1. jest-esmy (Mod.Pol. -es'my), 2. jest-es'cie
>
> The conservative 3pl. form might in theory have been replaced by
<jest>
> (this actually has happened in Russian), but in Polish it has
managed to
> survive despite the pressure of analogy.
>


What I (or Schmalstieg) claimed was that the original paradigm
involved two forms: one with e-grade of root and zero-grade of
suffix (2nd, 3rd sg., 2nd pl.) and one with zero-grade of root and o-
grade of suffix (1st sg., 1st, 3rd pl.). You can remove the 1st sg.
from the latter form, and you can remove the 1st pl. but languages
hang on to having the 3rd pl. with that form. Including Polish.


Torsten