Re: [tied] Re: Latin *accu ? - > or how to obtain the misising A

Miguel Carrasquer wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:03:19 +0200, alex
> <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
>> Observation: considering the examples from Romance brought by Miguel
>> where apprently there is an accidental "a", in Rom.
>
> There is no "accidental" a-.

there is no etymological "a" either.

>
>> this is a general
>> aspect. All the demonstrativa and locative adverbs have "a".
>
> Yes, as inherited from Vulgar Latin:

no: Latin has had not the habit to make such demonstrativa with "a". For
Latin *ecce you have Rom. "iaca", out.

>
> "this" Occ. aquest, Cat. aquest, OSpa. aqueste, OPor.
> aqueste, Rom. acest
> "that" Occ. aquell, Cat. aquell, Spa. aquel, Por. aquele,
> Rom. acel
>

The romance comparation does not help here. I am speaking about "a" as
element of composita which does not arrives from Latin.

> Of course Romanian acest and (a)cel are *much* more similar
> to Albanian ky and ai, aren't they?

If you want to spend so many flowers and to put the Alb. "k-" then I
have to tell you that Rom. "am" ( I have) is more alike with Alb. "kam"
(I have here) and here we don't have Latin etymons.

>
> The loss of the initial vowel in the demonstrative is
> practically pan-Romance (French (icist, cist, cest > ce;
> icil, cil, cel), Occitan (cest; cel), Catalan (�o), Italian
> (questo, cotesto, quello), Rhaetic (kis^t; c^el, kwel, kel),
> Sardo (custu, cussu, cuDDu) and Romanian (acel, cel)).

PanRomance but Romanian generalised the "a" in all demonstrative and
locative adverbs.

>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

It seems you stil did not got my idea. I repeat: "I am speaking about
"a" as element of composita which does not arrive from Latin." This "a"
has its certains function in Rom and these are:

-old demonstrative which is to recognise in demonstrativa and locative
adverbs , thus no Latin *accu
-postposed definite article for feminine , thus no "ella > a"
-dativ function,thus no Latin "ad" > "a"

all these 3 aspects _are not of Latin origin_ ; all these 3 aspects are
to find in Albanian too.
Since you have Pokorny'S dictionary, I think you know which is the "a" I
am speaking about. Normaly there shouldn't be any other questions to put
but I am speaking trough my perspective. Maybe you stil have some open
questions.


Alex








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