Re: [tied] Romanian Verb Endings and Substratum influence (repost)

Miguel Carrasquer wrote:

> Rubbish. Latin cantare is an a:-verb, so the relevant
> Lithuanian endings are the endings of the Lith. a:-verbs
> (conj. III):
>
> -au
> -ai
> -o
> -ome
> -ote
> -o (there is no 3pl. in Lith.)

there is no 3 pl. in Rom. either;

>
> No match.
>
> The Lithuanian simple thematic verbs indeed have the
> endings:
>
> -u
> -i
> -a
> -ame
> -ate
> (-a)
>

The Rom. verbs have the endings:
-u
-i
-V
-Vm
-Vti
-V

where V is the last vowel of the verb in its infinitive form; when the
vowel is an "a", "�", or "e" there is an slight colouring of the vowel
to "�" (stres matter).

Since we have this subject, I have a question. Which is in fact the
relationship between verbal desinences and the personal / demonastrative
pronoun in IE? It appears logical to me that these desinences have been
created in relationship with the persons who are making an action, kind
of "if "I" is the one who does it, then the desinence of the verb should
be related to "I", if "you" is the one who does it, then the desinence
is related to "you".
A relationship should be there, specialy when the desinences of the verb
( in the languages which still keep them fully) allows to avoid the use
of the personal pronouns.
In German or English where the desinences are dissapered or ar not
different enough, the use of the personal pronoun is a must for showing
who makes the action. On the contrary, in other languages, there is no
need to use the personal pronoun for the verb since the desinences of
the verb makes understable who is the person mentioned.


Alex

> This corresponds to the Latin endings:
>
> -o:
> -is
> -it
> -imus
> -itis
> -unt,
>
> Romanian:
>
> -(u)
> *-e (replaced by -i)
> -e
> -em(u)
> -etzi
> -(u)
>
>
>> FIRST CONCLUSIONS:
>> a) At Indic. Pres. Romanian endings are exactly the same with
>> Lithuanian Endings
>
> No.
>
>> b) Romanian 2nd sg. doesn't fit with Latin 2nd sg.
>
>> CONCLUSION:
>> ROMANIAN VERBS ENDINGS COULD WELL BELONG TO THE DACIAN SUBSTRATUM IF
>> THIS ONE WAS CLOSED RELATED TO THE BALTIC.
>
> Italian doesn't have a Dacian substratum.
>
> After the loss of -s and -(n)t in Eastern Romance, the
> endings had become:
>
> [a:-stems]
> -o: > -u
> -a:s > -a
> -at > -a
> -a:mus > -amu
> -a:tis > -ate
> -ant > -a
>
> [i:-stems]
> -io: > -(i)u
> -i:s > -i
> -it > -e
> -i:mus > -imu
> -i:tis > -ite
> -iunt > -(i)u
>
> [e:-stems]
> -eo: > -(i)u
> -e:s > -e
> -et > -e
> -e:mus > -emu
> -e:tis > -ete
> -ent > -(i)u [instead of regular *-e]
>
> [e/o-stems]
> -o: > -u
> -is > -e
> -it > -e
> -imus > -emu
> -itis > -ete
> -unt > -u
>
> The only conjugation to maintain a difference between 2 and
> 3 sg. was the i-conjugation, so teh 2sg. ending -i spread to
> the other conjugations. This was no doubt aided by the fact
> that in monosyllables -s had become -j (It. hai, stai, dai,
> fai, (s)ei; Rom. ai, stai, dai).
>
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