Re: [tied] nominative marker -z

Jens,

Can you please direct me to the correspondence in which you present your idea about PIE *z as the nominative marker, and in s-aorists? This is the first I've heard of a novel but intriguing theory, and I would most like to see the original exposition. (Perhaps you can tell me the message number of the relevant correspondence.)

Andrew

elmeras2000 <jer@...> wrote:

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Pavel A. da Mek" <a.da_mek0@...> wrote: > > May I ask about the reason for > > the reconstruction of the nominative marker as *-z? > > Because of the rule that the thematic vowel is in the o-grade before voiced > sounds > and in the e-grade otherwise. How nice! > > Is this just my theory, > > or have you have had similar thoughts yourself? > > I read it here on cybalist and found it convincing. That's even nicer, thank you! > (Moreover, such orthography helps to clearly distinguish nominative ending > from genitive ending, plural ending and ending-less s-stem forms.) It was designed to do just that. It feels *very* nice to be understood. > > If it is my teaching, I will like to make it clear > > that I see no reason to posit *-z for the stage of PIE > > that we reconstruct on comparative basis, > > Yes, it is the matter of the internal reconstruction rather than the > comparative one. > > > I merely see a need to derive some sibilants from *-z at an earlier stage. > > Is it only the matter of the thematic nominative > or are there other instances of supposed *z? I have, with less persuasion however, suggested the same for the -s- of the sigmatic aorist which also lengthens. And I have suggested there is this kind of sibilant behind the /s/ of the neuter root noun *me:ms- 'meat' also because the Sanskrit form m�:s has the same shape as the m-stem nominatives, Skt. ks.�:s 'earth', Avest. zii� 'winter'. I have also assumed it for *ters- 'dry' because of the long *-e:- of Celtic *ti:ros 'land' which I took to be a restructuring of *te:rs as an s-stem *te:r-os. Jens