Re: [tied] Outcome of PIE *s > Alb./j/ (was Rom aia - Alb ajo)

Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

>
> [AK]
> I regret, but I am sorry for I can understand you at all.
> How should Alb. <aj> be form an older *�eja:, which yielded <�ajo>.

Abdullah, I just compare. There is Alb. "ajo" and "�ajo" and there is
Rom. "aia" and "ceia". If someone considers these paralel forms are just
simple, accidental coincidences, this one should believe to much in such
coincidences.
I suggested the older form for Alb. "�ajo" is an "*�eia:". If the form I
suggested is wrong, then show me please which is the immediate form
anterior to "�ajo".

>
>>
>> , derived from *H2eu- + *saH2 (as
>>> per Beeks *seH2) > au + sa: > a + jo > ajo `she' ( PIE *au > a,
> *a:
>>>> o and *s > j).
>>
>> if the Com. counterpart is a true then the derivation is wrong.
> you
>> cannot have in Rom. an "aja" from an "*au-sa".Of course you can
> say here
>> the word is a loan from Albanian after "s" > "j" but before "a:"
>> "o".
>
> [AK]
> Did I speak about any connection in this light?!

no, you did not. I just mentioned a posibility which should be avanced
for instance by someone as Piotr who sees the "albanoid" loans. One can
keep an eye on a such posibility as well.

>>
>>> In the same way we could reconstruct <kjo> `this' <
>>> *ko(m)- +saH2 > k�jo (attested until in our times) > kjo. Due to the
>>> same rule we may explain masculine forms <ai/aj> `this, he' and
>>> <ky> `that' (<*au- + *so and *ko(m) +so).
>>
>> If I remember right, St�lting sustain that the prefixation
> with "k" is
>> recent in Albanian.
>
> [AK]
> Please, refer to which article, book you have foudn this. It seems
> rediculous to me.
>
>>> Konushevci

Lets see. He quotes first Pedersen who, about Albanian demonstrativ
pronouns say :

"Sie geh�ren s�mtlich in das Paradigma des betimmten Arikel und eines
mit dem Artikel identischen demonstrativen pronomens".

Then Stoelting goes along as such:

"Treffender w�re zu sagen, da� zwischen "a-y" (jener), "k-y" (dieser),
"i" Artikel das gleiche Verh�ltnis besteht wie zwischen Rum�nischen
"�l"(jener) und "-l" Artikel -sie stellen eine gramatisch schwer zu
differenzierende Einheit dar."

Now, he goes along with the prefixation I meant:

"Dabei sind "k�-" und "a-" im Alb. _sp�tere_ Zus�tze.

(Wilfried Stoelting, "Das ARtikelsystem im Albanischen und Rum�nischen")

Alex

Alex




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