Re: Wolf, varg

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 38124
Date: 2005-05-28

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
> wrote:
> > tgpedersen wrote:
> >
> > > If there were no encounters between Iranian-speakers and
> Germanic-
> > > speakers, it is a freak accident, yes.
> >
> > Reflexes of *wargaz are actually pretty widespread in Germanic
and
> don't
> > always mean 'wolf'. We have e.g. OE wearg (n.) 'felon, outlaw,
> villain,
> > monster, evil being' and (a.) 'evil, malignant, cursed', OHG
warg
> > 'demon, criminal' and MHG warc 'monster'. ON vargr also
> means 'outlaw,
> > malefactor' in addition to 'wolf', so there's little doubt that
we
> are
> > dealing with a metaphorical epithet.
> >
> > > And does *w-rg- have non-Germanic relatives?
> >
> > Opinions vary whether Germanic *wurgjan- 'kill by violence, esp.
> by
> > strangling' (OE wyrgan, OFris. wergia, Ger. würgen) and *wargaz
> are
> > related, but I don't see any serious problem here. At any rate,
> there is
> > no reason to question the cognacy of *wargaz to Slavic
> *worgU 'enemy,
> > fiend', OPruss. wargan (n.) 'suffering, evil' and Lith.
> var~gas 'misery,
> > hardship', all the meanings having to do with malign and
> destructive
> > forces. It's tempting to compare the whole lot (see the EIEC)
with
> > Toch.A wa:r(s.)s.e 'robber' (despite some formal difficulties)
and
> Hitt.
> > hurkel 'sin, abomination, crime of a sexual nature', in which
case
> the
> > root would have to be reconstructed as *(h2/3)wergH- '(approx.)
> harm, do
> > evil' (the laryngeal attested only in Hittite), of which *worgHo-

> is a
> > regular derivative.
> >
>
> Piotr said *wurgjan and *wargaz might be related, not that *wlkWos
> and *warg- were. Sorry.
> What I think he's otherwise trying to say is that *warg- is
regular
> PIE root, in which case it can't be a loan in Old Norse. I'm
afraid
> it doesn't follow. The Iranian word has been borrowed to Finnish
and
> Slavic, so the word is obviously not un-loanable.
>
>
> Torsten
************
Except noted Alb. word <zvjerdh> 'to wean' derived from *werg'h-, I
think that nasalized form *wreng'h-, o-grade form *wrong'h-u yields
in Alb. <rreng>, probably singularized plural of <rrang> 'hard,
killing task'. With this meaning it is attested in well-known
Albanian epic song "Gjergj Elez Alia", in which enemy asks from
people to give to him from week to week one girl, to kill from week
to week one warrior etc. This action was desciber as <rreng i
rândë> 'killing task'.

Konushevci