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Subject: [tied] *ghre:- "to grow"
To grow, become green. Contracted from
*ghreH1-. 1. O-grade form
*ghr
-. grow, from Old English
grwan, to grow, from Germanic
*gr(w)an. 2. Suffixed o-grade form
*ghro:-n-yo-. green, from Old English
gr
ne, green, from Germanic
*gro:njaz, green.
3. Suffixed zero-grade form
*ghr&-so-. grass,
graze1, from Old English
graes, grass, from
Germanic
*grasam, grass. (Pokorny
(ghr-) 454.)
Is there any example of this root outside Germanic?
Perhaps Greek khronos "time" ?
Joao SL
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Patrick writes:
The pre-Nostratic root for this word is *gGo-ra, 'hole-tall' = 'be tall
in the hole, protrude, grow'; it is found in this form in PIE *gher-,
'protrude'.
Though Jens might disagree, the root you have questioned is probably a
stative of this root: **ghra:- (Pokorny's *gr6-) though it is possible that a
different root *gGo-re:, 'hole-come', may also be involved. I opt for -*ra
because Sumerian of (U2)kur-ra means 'garden plant'. The sign with which
this kur is written appears to be three hills, corresponding to Pokorny's
"Erderhebungen" for *gher-.
Kur2 is written with two crossed lines, apparently marked a 'hole
(man-made)' Although we do not have an IE *gher-, 'dig', we do have *1.
ghrebh-, 'rake, scratch'; and *2. ghrebh-, ' scratch, score, dig'. My
speculation would be that this is derived from *gGo-re, 'scratch out a hole' +
IE *bh-. The important thing is that the meaning 'grow, sprout' is attached to
it, albeit, supposedly to be read as dim4.
Kur3 portrays a 'curl of hair, ring', and is unrelated.
Kur4 depicts a simple circle, and 'large, largeness' as kur4, and
'sprout' as lugud2.
Kur5 pictures a 'stick cut on one end'.; this corresponds to IE *(s)ker-,
'cut'. This sign means 'cut', read as kud, corresponds to *(s)k(h)ed-'split'.
These roots are built on pre-Nostratic *kXo-, 'sharp(edged)'. Not
related.
Kur6 which depicts a 'slice of bread with crust'. Not related.
Kur7 depicts an 'eye' + 'bow', and means 'observation'. Unrelated.
Kur8 shows a 'mouth' + 'food'. Perhaps related if 'vegetables' but no
proof.
Kur9 shows a 'sprout coming out of the soil' 'means 'enter'.
Kur10 appears to be a reduplication of kur2; though not associated with
this reading, its usual reading is pa or, as I would prefer ba2, meaning
'portion', pre-Nostratic *ba, 'buttocks, split'..
We have three signs that mean 'grow, growth, large'. The obvious choice
for an appropriate sign to represent 'grow' is the sign reading kur9. My
interpretation of all this data is that kur is the original and best reading
for the sign now read as kur9. In my opinion, kur9, 'enter', is an animate
form of kur, meaning basically, 'protrude is a dwelling-opening'.
The Egyptian cognate is easy to see: x3.w, 'plants'. I believe we can see
the animate form in s-x3, 'remember, mention' as 'cause to grow (in the mind)'
but there is another idea written x3, namely 'fall', and s-x3 may rather be
'cause to fall (into the mind)'; this meshes better wkith 'mention'.
Patrick
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