Re: [tied] Re: Albanian: length of time in the Balkans

From: David Webb
Message: 37511
Date: 2005-05-02

Thanki you for your informative email. Is it the case that all IE languages in Europe borrowed from Neolithic and Palaeolithic languages that are now gone and that this is the reason why PIE words are not the only content of IE languages in Europe? I am thinking of how the British and Irish populations have been shown to be genetically Palaeolithic by means of Y chromosome correspondences with the Basque country. There must be substrata beneath all the IE languages, even if we are not in a position to investigate this? Proto-Albanian may show a Neolithic substratum?

 

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From: cybalist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alexandru_mg3
Sent: 02 May 2005 18:24
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [tied] Re: Albanian: length of time in the Balkans

 

> Is there any
> linguistic proof of the length of time Albanians have been in the
>Balkans? I
> suppose everyone knows that many Serbs argue that they came to the
Balkans
> only in the 11th century

 
Hello,
  Of course it is.

1. Albanian has a huge list of about 350-400 Latin Loans. If we
consider a Proto-Albanian vocabulary of about 1200 title-words this
represent almost 30% of the Total Vocabulary.
So Albanian - Balkan Latin contacts were intense and take a very long
time. Different Layers of Latin loans can be detected so the duration
of these contacts took several hundreds years

2. There are Ancient Greeks loans in Albanian showing Grk a: > Alb o
This trace could be detected too in Romanian Substratual Words
Common with Albanian (Rom a - Alb o) , but not in the Latin Loans in
Albanian where Lat a: > Alb a)
  So the Albanians contacts with the Ancient Greek preceed the Roman
arrival in Balkans (Romans occupied Skodra at 169 BC).
  In addition based on this linguistic rule we can say: that the
Romanian Substratum seems to be  genetically linked with Proto-
Albanian one and is older than the Latin main layer of Romanian.


3. Based on my timeframes (see my previous message) the Proto-
Romanian and Proto-Albanians contacts "ended" at least before 600 AC.
The 2 languages share even today about 300 Proto-Albanian words.

  In fact the Proto-Romanian Vocabulary around 500 AC has in common
more than 50% of its words with the Proto-Albanian. The Proto-
Albanian was in the same situation.

  Among this 50%: about 24% represents Common Proto-Albanian words
and about 30% percent represents Common Latin Words.

  If the Slavs arrival didn't take place for sure that the Proto-
Romanians and Proto-Albanians would have been now a single people.


   Best Regards,
      Marius Alexandru











--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "David Webb" <djwebb2002@...> wrote:
> Dear all, we know that there is no hard proof that Albanian is
descended
> from Illyrian, but it would make sense in other ways. The fact that
some
> Latin loan words are present in Albanian in heavily disguised form,
does
> that add to the proof that the Albanians have been in the Balkans
for a long
> time? I am thinking of words like njëqind, related to centum. Is
there any
> linguistic proof of the length of time Albanians have been in the
Balkans? I
> suppose everyone knows that many Serbs argue that they came to the
Balkans
> only in the 11th century, and they also try to argue for a
connection
> between Albania and the (unrelated) Kingdom of Albania in the
Caucasus. I
> think linguistics could shed some light on the surprising emergence
of
> Albanians in the 11th century after many centuries during which the
> Illyrians were not mentioned.