Re: [tied] The Precise and scientific nature of PIE reconstruction.

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 36984
Date: 2005-04-08

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:52:47 +0000, mkelkar2003
<smykelkar@...> wrote:

>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> No. It has nothing to do with majority. It has to do with
>> knowledge about the languages in question. PIE *u gives
>> Slavic /U/, and that's exactly what we find in OCS snUxa.
>> The hard yer regularly gives zero or /o/ in Russian.
>> In Germanic, PIE *u gives /o/ or /u/ (PIE *o gives /a/),
>> depending on the front or backness of the following vowel.
>> *snusa: regularly gives *snora:.
>>
>
>Sir this is all tautological. You are FORCING these languages into a
>"family" by reconstructing an artifcial word. If you "reconstruct" it
>as "snosos" then you could not arrive at the Sanskrit word because
>according to your own rule you could not derive *u from /o/. I do not
>know what OCS

Old Church Slavonic.

> means but i have a feeling that snUxa is NOT a real word
>and "Slavic" is not a language. Is that right?

No.

>> > So far the proto word is *snu
>> >
>> >3. The next consonant should be an s as shown in Sanskrit, Albenian
>> >and Greek. S has mutated to a k in Russian and r in Latin and Old
>> >English. Therefore, *snus
>>
>> Actually, /s/ gives /s^/ after *u in all the satem
>> languages, so we have snus^a: in Sanskrit *snus^a: > snUxa
>> in Slavic.
>>
>> Intervoalic /s/ gives /z/ and then /r/ independently in
>> Latin and Germanic.
>>
>> >4. So far so good. The most twisted part is the ending. The majority
>> >of the above seven words have a masculine ending except for Sansrkit
>> >and Russian.
>>
>> No. Old English has a feminine ending too, and so does
>> Albanian.
>>
>> >So the original PIE word MUST be masculine! and end with
>> >an os rather than an "a" a feminine ending, as it does CORRECTLY in
>> >Sanskrit and Russian. Therefore PIE *snusos. Science does not work
>> >by the rule of the majority.
>>
>> No, science works by logic. Disregarding the Albanian word,
>> the ending of which is not secure, we have the following
>> situation:
>>
>> Sanskrit, Germanic and Slavic point to *snusá: (f.)
>
>Not so fast my friend! Sanskrit is a REAL language and Germanic and
>Slavic are "families" that you have made up.

I don't take credit for that discovery...

>Do every single language
>you are including in these families point to *snusa?

Yes (to snusá:, actually). OHG snur, snora > G. Schnur, OE
snoru, ON snor, snør. Etcetera.


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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