[tied] Re: The Hoffmann suffix

From: tgpedersen
Message: 36448
Date: 2005-02-22

>Could you quote some of Kuhn's
> examples of "strong" toponyms vs. "weak" anthoponyms so that we
can see
> what particular "identical roots" are involved?
>

from 'Die alten germanischen Personennamen des Typs _Hariso_'

in -nt-

Alantia, Alancer marca (die Elz, -> Neckar) vs. Alanzo m.
Leubenz (Liebenz, -> Neckar)vs. Luibinzo m.
Lupence (Lupnitz, -> Neckar) vs. Lopenzo m.
Maginza (Mainz) vs. Mahinzo m., Maginza f.
Paginza (die Pegnitz, -> Regnitz) vs. Pagenza f.
Radantia, Radtiz-gowe (die Regnitz) vs. Ratinza f.
Scarinza (Scharnitz) vs. Scarenza f.
Warinze (die Wörnitz, -> Donau vs. Werinzo m.

Kuhn:
"Der einzige deutliche Unterschied zwischen den behandelten
Namenreihen ist die schwache Flexion der Personennamen gegenüber der
starken auf der anderen Seite".

However, all the examples are from the oberdeutsch area.


in -s-

*agis-
Eggese (1617 Heggese), sw Bremen vs.
OHG Egisa f. Agas-inga (Aising at Rosenheim) OE Egese Egsan-ford

Celtic PN Agisius Agisiaca Agisilus Agisinus
Roman PN Agasius Agesonius Agisenna Agusius Agussius


*alis-
Roman camp Aliso, Ptolm. Ali:sus, Alsen (Als) vs.
OHG Elis m. Elisa f. Elisan-heim Elisin-dorf OFr Eliso OE Elesa Elsa

in France Alisontia, Alesia, Alisincum
in Greece Alesiai Ale:sion
Illyrian PN Alasinus
Roman PN Alsius


*amis-
5xEms (<-Amisius Amisia Amasios) vs.
Amisa f. (774) Emisa f.

Asia Minor Amisus Amasia
river Amasenus (Latium)
Carian PN Amisodaros (Iliad)

*awis-
Evesen (near Bückeburg) Aves (near Deventer) Aves-veld Aves-maet
Ovese Oves (Elburg) (?) vs.
Westgoth. *Awisa OS Ewusa Evesa Ewese Evese

Avesa (now Avoize, dep. Sarthe), 2xAvisnae (now Avennes) Avisio
portus (Liguria) Avesica (Istria)


*gawis-
Beda calls the West Saxons Gevissae Gevissi, Matron names Gavasiae,
lat. Gavisidius, inscription at Matrei kavises vs.
Gawiso m. Gewis Giwis, West Saxon kings


*haris-
Herisi Herese (now Alten- and Neuenheerse, se. Paderborn) Grossen-
Kleinenheerse n. Minden vs.
Herulian Hariso m. Runic Hariso f. Matron name Hariasa

Pliny: Carisa Carissa in Spain, Carusa in Paphlagonia
Carasa (now Garris) in the Pyrenees
PN Carasus Carausius Carisius Carisia theonym Carasova
Celtic PN Coriso Corisso Corisius Corisillus


*rimis-
PN West Goth. *Rimisa OS Rimis

Remesiana Remisiana in Moesia, Rimesica in Galatia


*salis-
Seelze (<- Sellese Selse, s. Hannover) Salseken, district Selessen,
Bad Salzig (Salisio <- near Boppard), Sels (Salusia Salisa, ->
Rhine) vs.
West Goth. Salisa OHG Saliso OSw Salsi

Tribal name Salassi, upper Italy, Salesici, part of the Macedonian
Paeones, Celtic PN Salasius Salisius Salassus


*walis-
Wals, Walsen Walsum, Walsede, die Welse, Welsem, Welsum 2xWelsede
(?) vs.
OHG. Valisan Welisunc OE Wæls ( > Vo,lsungar), Merovian PN Vallesi

Celtic PN Valisius Vallesia, Roman PN Valerius, the Valerii, Volusii




plus, formed the same way, but documented late
*abis-(?) *anis-(?) *badis-(?) *buris-(?) *manis- *ramis-(?) *tilis-
*trabis- *wandis-(?) *waris- *witis-(?)


On the other hand, of the Nordwestblock PN's in -k-, those with
strong inflection seem the oldest (says Kuhn).


Torsten