[tied] Re: *ap-/*up-/*ip- , rivers in -r, JURA, JARA

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "whetex_lewx" <whetex_lewx@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Derksen has analyzed something.
> > > Baltic variant forms:
> > > Lith.
> > > ja/ura (acute)- a swamp, a mire
> > > jaur\us (grave)- swampy
> > > ju:/ra (acute) - the sea
> > > ju:ru/oti (grave) - to wave
> > > ju:/re: - the sea (dial.)
> > > Latv.
> > > ju~ra - the sea
> > > ju~re (dial.)
> > > jure
> > > juris
> > > Old Prussian.
> > > iuriay
> > > iurin (accs) < *iuris
> > > Slavic variant forms:
> > > East
> > > i'rej - strong wind
> > > (v)yrij - warm lands to which birds migrate, over the sea
> > > south
> > > ir - whirlpool, abyss
> >
> > It occurs in Baltic, Slavic and Balto-Finnic (Saami, Mordvin,
> Mari),
> > and therefore:
> >
> > > So probably from PIE iuHr-eh2...
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> > Torsten
>
> Balto-Finnic could be influented by ancient Baltic (IE) habitat in
> the east (Oka's basin, upper Volga, Eastern Corded Ware culture)
> after 1800 BC.

The other two options are:
1) Baltic and eastern Slavic could have been established on old
Baltic Finnic territory.
2) Baltic, eastern Slavic and Baltic Finnic could have taken it from
a common substrate.


Torsten