Re: [tied] IE Pots and Pans (Was: Back to Slava)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:25:08 +0100, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> >On 05-02-17 12:59, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
> >
> >> Yes. Latin and Celtic have *-eh1ye- (presumably *-éh1ye-),
> >> which is consistent with early thematization of full grade
> >> *-éh1i-. Germanic probably reflects the same thing.
> >
> >One would expect this in statives based on thematic adjectives

like

> >*h1roudHe-h1-, where the thematic vowel, as usual, resists

reduction, so

> >that the present stem becomes *h1roudHe-h1-je- (Pol. rudziec',
> >rudzieje), as opposed to the type represented by *kr.t-éh1-/*kr.t-

h1-jé-

> >(based on *kr.t-ú- and related to *krét-es- 'power'; the example

is

> >Jens's). One would expect branch-specific levelling in such

cases, and

> >since statives derived from thematic bases must have been more

numerous

> >in the non-Anatolian branches than the alternating type, the

levelling

> >would have been more probably in favour of the full grade.
> >
> >Piotr
>
> and Jens also replied:
>
> >But a stretch *-eh1ye- was never in doubt. That will have to be

the

> >form of the present stem of stative verbs derived from thematic
> >adjectives, as *sén-e/o- 'old' => *sen-e-h1-ye- 'be old', aorist
> >*sen-e-h1- 'become old'. In this type the stative suffix appears

in

> >the zero-grade (*-eh1- > *-h1-, or for that matter *-h1eh1- > *-

h1h1-

> > which probably sounded the same) because the thematic vowel
> >precedes it. Therefore languages reflecting only *-e:-ye- may

very

> >well have generalized the form that was productively used with
> >thematic adjectives. That would make video: analogical on albeo:.
> >
> >Jens
>
>
> Allright. But that was only my subsidiary objection. What
> about Greek (and Balto-Slavic)?

You said, about Greek, "thematized late to *-éh1i-o:". So what would
be wrong with *-eh1-yo:, the same as for Latin? I do not see such a
great problem with Balto-Slavic: The infinitive-aorist has -e:-,
which may be from *-eh1- of the aorist, the same as the Greek e:n-
aorist. The present has -jo:, which fits Gk. khaíromai, Ved.
já:yate, ON sitja quite well. A 1sg -jo: also goes with Baltic -i-
in other types, and with Slavic -i- in other types, so both have
models.

Jens