Re: [tied] Evening/Night (was Re: The "Mother" Problem)

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:11:19 -0000, Torsten wrote:

>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
>wrote:
>> On 05-02-15 00:03, elmeras2000 wrote:
>>
>>
>> > How is this analyzed? If the umbrella belonged to an already-
>known
>> > person by the name of <Peter>, the response would be <Peters>,
>and
>> > everybody would say <Peters> is the genitive of <Peter>.
>
>If that is so, it's odd that everybody _writes_ <Peter's> with a
>detached clitic. Germans don't do that, afaIk (or do they? Anybody?).

If a written apostrophe make's a detached clitic, then the plural -s
and the 3sg -s are detached clitic's for lot's of English speaker's.
Not to mention the -t of wan't. (Not for anybody here, of course!)

More seriously, I wonder what bearing phrases like _both of us_, _all
of you_, _some of them_ have on the clitic/case debate. These have, or
can have, genitives like _both of our_, _all of your_, _some of
their_. E.g. "Both of our parents will be there" ("we" not siblings),
i.e. "the parents of both of us" (two sets of parents).

Kim Bastin