Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

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From: Rob

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:16 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "elmeras2000" <jer@......> wrote:
2
> What comes from a maker is made; what comes from a baker is baked.
> There's nothing to it. I do not see any basis for the assessment 
> of the to-participle as collective.
>
> Jens

I also forgot to mention something.  What do you (and others) think
of the possibility that the 3sg verbal inflection is in fact an
agent-noun formation of this type?  That is, the *-t 3sg suffix is
the same as the *-t nomen agentis suffix?

- Rob

I think that historically, the -tó of the 3sg present and of the nomen agentis, are the same. 

I also think that a nomen agentis is the primary usage.

 

But let us look at pH2-tó. In my view, this meant primarily 'feeder' (nomen agentis). And, if precedent had been followed, 'food' would be pH2-t-yé -> pH2-tí, 'that which is related to a feeder' (abstract noun).

 

Is 'food' a collective? In some contexts it is, in others not.

 

But also, a 'feeder' can be 'food'. What 'feeds' is 'food'. Who 'feeds' is 'feeder'.

 

As we know, there is a lot of overlap in the meanings of these two forms.

 

Jens, are you possibly asking for a sophistication and consistency that was not there in the earliest language?

 

 

Patrick

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