Re: Møller on *w-r- "guard"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, g <st-george@...> wrote:
> > > Møller on *w-r "guard"
> > >
> > > 1 w-r- 'behutsam (sein)' (< voridg. w-r-),
> > > ahd. gi-war 'behutsam, vorsichtig',
> >
> > > Ger. gewahr ("aware" usu. of a danger)
> >
> > > got. varei 'Behutsamkeit,
> > > ags. waru
> > > as. ahd. wara 'Acht, Aufmerksamkeit,
> > > gr. thuro:rós (kypr. thura-woros) 'Türhüter',
> > > as. ward
> > > ahd. wart 'Wächter',
> > > got. daura-vards 'Tür-hüter',
> > > vardja 'Wächter',
> > > an. vo,rðr 'Wächter, Wache',
> >
> > In Ger., Hüter, Wache and Wächter can be replaced by the

syn.

> Wärter (<
> > ahd. wartari). (Also cf. Sternwarte "Observatorium; observatory")
> >
> > #
> >
> > If a Semitic loanword, then when could the PIE-speaking people

have

> > gotten it? As they had Messopotamia as their southern

neighborhood?

> > (Are these wVr words also included in the vocabularies of the
> > Iranic-Indic branch?)
> >
>
> I think if they were, Møller would have quoted it, which he does

of

> other roots. That's the interesting thing, the Semitic-looking

words

> appear mainly in Germanic. This is the basis for Vennemann's

proposal

> of a Semitic (I think AfroAsiatic) language spoken in Western

Europe

> which he calls Atlantic and from which substrate Germanic (or one

of

> its predecessors, later passng on the loan etc) would have taken

over

> those words when it arrived in Europe.
>
> On the other hand, if you would take some medieval chroniclers
> seriously, there was an Assyrian invasion of Germany once. Who

knows

> what garbled information is in that.
>
> I left out some of Møller's Semitisch-Indogermanisch cognates

(as
he

> saw them) on *w-r- meaning "growth, garden", but who knows if that
> might have been the object of the protecting?
>
>
> Torsten

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No Iranic-Indic, but Pokorny (2169) offers reflexes in (besides
Germanic) Latin, Old Irish, Greek, Lettish, and Tocharian.
Dan Milton