Re: Alb. "vatër" ( it was (Re: [tied] Re: Albanian valle )

----- Original Message -----

From: Miguel Carrasquer

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: Alb. "vatër" ( it was (Re: [tied] Re: Albanian valle )

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:24:59 -0600, Patrick Ryan
<proto-language@...> wrote:

>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Miguel Carrasquer<mailto:mcv@...>
>
>>  See the discussion of this word in Melchert, "Anatolian
>>  Historical Phonology", p. 78.  Briefly:
>
>  I do not have ready access to Melchert so I would like to ask a clarifying question or two:
>
>  according to him, medial *h1 simply disappears in Palaic?

Yes, as in all Anatolian.  *h1 is never reflected as <h>.

>  How about *h3? Would *h2ah3 yield Palaic ha:- or ha:- according to Melchert in Palaic?

*h3 would also disappear in this position (intervocalically,
it seems).

>>  Whether the second laryngeal is *h1 or *h3 is undecidable.
>>  If it is *h3, it would mean that *h2 takes precedence over
>>  *h3 (Lat. a:ra), or that the 1st laryngeal takes precedence
>>  over the 2nd.  Overall, my opinion is that it's more likely
>>  that the second laryngeal is *h1 (and the colouring of *h2
>>  takes precedence over *h1, which causes no colouring, as can
>>  also be seen in the Slavic f. ins. sg. ending *-oyh2eh1 >
>>  -oja: + m > -ojoN).
>
>  So, unless someone has yet other arguments, *h2ah1 is a misleading reconstruction for
> proper *h2ah1/h3? Would you not agree?

That's what Melchert says: "With our present knowledge
either *h1 or *h3 is possible for the second laryngeal"
(loc. cit.)


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...


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