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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
> On 04-11-08 11:37, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > Could Albanian "lajthi" ('hazel nut') to belong to the same
root as
> > a compound word PIE *e:l + *V + *knei-k^-io: with the
meaning 'kind
> > of brown nut' ?
> >
> > Where e:l is a long form of Pokorny "el-1" 'red brown in the
name
> > of tree or animals'
>
> Pokorny's root is definitely too inclusive, in stark contrast to
the
> shaky reconstructibility of the underlying adjective *h1el-u-. I'm
not
> even sure if *h1élh1on- 'red deer' is derived from a PIE colour
term
> (though the EIEC essentially agrees with Pokorny, despite certain
> reservations): as far as I'm concerned, it looks like an old
active
> participle derived from a stative verb -- *h1él-h1-on(t) (a Narten
> root?), although I can't identify the verb itself (well, perhaps
it _is_
> *h1eleh1- 'be reddish-brown' after all, but I'd like to see its
direct
> attestation).
>
> >
> > The Proto-Albanian form would be in this case :
*al+wa+kneitsia >
> > *allaknitsa ?
>
> I still don't see how you could get <lajthi> out of it. It seems
more
> profitable to compare it with Slavic *le^ska '(hazel) stick,
hazel' (Cz.
> líska, Blg. leska, Pol. laska, leszczyna) as a cognate. It's a
difficult
> etymon, especially if Baltic *lazda: is to be integrated with the
rest
> of the data. Pokorny's suggestion, *le:g^(H)- is hardly
satisfactory.
> Any thoughts, anybody?
>
> Pioitr
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I have treated this word in two messages of Balkanika,
Message 886:
Pokorny support Meyer's etymology that Alb. <lajthi/lejthi> is
derived from noun root *leg'(h)- or *lHg'h- `branch', related to
Lit. <lazda> `id.' And Sl. <leska> `id.', loza `wine, wood, bush'.
This etymology is also supported by N. Jokl, who reconstruct an
early form *ladh with an epenthetic j-. Camaj reconstruct *l-al-thi
to explain exactly this epenthetic j-.
As Çabej as well as Demiraj treat the word <lajthi> as derivative of
Alb. <lak> `noose, slip' (Demiraj, 231).
There is an attested form <lakthi> in Borgo Erizzo (Tagliavini,
Dalmazia, 166-167). If we agree that /kt/ yields /jt/, I think that
also /kth/ should yields too /jth/ and the problematic /j/ is easy
explainable. Geg form <lejthi> is due to i-Umlaut. i is a reflex
of iH1 plural suffix.
If we take into account that PIE root *lenk- `to bend' yilds in OCS
<le,ti> `to bend' and lenjak `hazelnut', I believe that zero-grade
form *ln.k- suffixed in st-iH1 yields in Albanian <lajthi> through
la(n)k-st-i > lakthi > lajthi.
Best of the best
Konushevci
And Message 890 as feedback to Marius etymology:
The question is that you have any derivative of this root that
yields "hazelnut" < *koslo + *knuH-, until you have *lenk- and *ln.k-
that have yield OCHS <le,ti> 'to bend' and <lenjak> as well as
Alb. <lajthi> 'id.' (cf. also Eng. witch hazel from wican 'to bend').
Konushevci