[tied] Re: Orlog
From: A.
Message: 34969
Date: 2004-11-05
ORLOG REVISED!
1-A) 'or-' is from *uz- 'from, out of'; I've seen the word
etymologized as *uzlagjan 'that which is laid out'.
- Brian Scott
1-B) The word is compounded from the perpostion *us "out of"
- Torsten citing "Falk & Torp"
2-A) That would make the second element related to <lo,g> 'law(s)',
but not identical. (OE <lagu> 'law' would seem to be a borrowing of
an older singular *lagu rather than of <lo,g> itself.)"
- Brian Scott
2-B) "Primary form IEW (687) is PIE *lewgh- in got. liugos. Zero-
grade form yielded ketl. *lug-yo-n > OIr lugae, a verbal substantive
of verb <tongid> 'swear'."
- Abdullah Konushevci
2-C) The word is compounded from the perpostion *us "out of" and a
noun wioth the sense "pact, agreement"; cf Gothic 'liugan' "marry",
liuga "marriage", OIr 'luige' "oath" (from *lugio-) 'Orlog' then is
propoerly the state in which the pact or agreement is broken. Partly
the same sense has Germanic *uz-laga-, properly "fate": ON orlo,g, n.
pl. "fate, life's end", OS 'orlag', 'urlagi' "fate, war",
OE 'orlæg' "fate", 'orlege' "war", OHG 'urlage' "fate, war".
- Torsten again citing "Falk & Torp"
So it seems that "log" originally conveys a meaning akin to: pact-
(perhaps contract)-agreement-oath-marriage-law.
And it seems that the "or" aspect might carry one of 2 meanings?
I ] "out of" - as in developing from, stemming from? or
flowing/growing out of? This would result in orlog carrying a meaning
such as 'evolving from the law' -or- 'evolving from the oath'
II] "out of" - as in, not in accord with. This would result in orlog
carrying a meaning such as 'in violation of the oath/law' . This
latter interpretation seems less likely to my mind.
Lastly there is Wyrd, stemming from the verb 'verda', - 'to become'.
To which Ceisiwr has informed me, stems from PIE wert- "turn," ...and
Piotr connects to the Latin verto.... and Sanskrit vartate... and the
Germanic *werþ- (after Grimm's Law)
Does anyone know of any nuances to the Sanskrit and Latin (or perhaps
Baltic) correlates; which convey a meaning akin to fate, oath, or
law??
Sincerely,
Aydan