From: tgpedersen
Message: 34840
Date: 2004-10-25
> At 9:22:36 AM on Saturday, October 23, 2004, tgpedersen wrote:Do you know of other cases with an adjective as prototheme?
>
> >>>>>> <Aldricus> is well-attested, along with some variant
> >>>>>> Latinizations (e.g., <Aldericus>).
>
> >>>>> The -k- suffix seems to point in the direction of a
> >>>>> Nordwestblock name.
>
> >>>> There is no <-k-> suffix here. The deuterotheme is Gmc
> >>>> *<ri:ks> 'king', borrowed from Celtic <ri:g->.
>
> >>> I see. And the proterotheme is?
>
> >> Correctly identified by the original querent: *alda- 'old'.
>
> > Old English eald,
>
> More specifically, West Saxon and Kentish; Anglian had
> <ald>.
>
> > Old Saxon (Old Low German) 'ald' "old". Why ald- in a name
> > in England?
>
> Who said anything about England? <Aldricus> is the usual
> Latinization of the Continental Germanic name. If the
> question was about the English surname <Aldrick>, matters
> are completely different: that's from OE <Ælfri:c> and
> <Æðelri:c>, both yielding early ME <Alric>, which with
> epenthetic <d> gives <Aldrick>, <Aldridge>, etc.
>Yes. As you should have noticed, my proposal is not dithematic name.
> > Here's my bid:
>
> > Old European *alisa- (> *alira > *alra > English alder,
> > with metathesis German 'Erle'; Spanish 'alisa') +
> > Nordwestblock -k. So 'alder-man'.
>
> No. OE <alor> (<alra> is the gen.pl.) does not appear as a
> prototheme; neither, so far as I know, do its Gmc. cognates.
>