Re[8]: [tied] aldric, luis, aldrin = etymology?

At 5:30:44 PM on Saturday, October 23, 2004, alex wrote:

> Brian M. Scott wrote:

>> At 2:58:27 AM on Saturday, October 23, 2004, alex wrote:

[...]

>>>> Again, these are names, not descriptions. One of the
>>>> basic principles of Germanic name-giving, already
>>>> evident at this early date, is inheritance of name
>>>> themes.

>>> this early date?

>> Yes. This is very early in terms of our knowledge of
>> Germanic names and naming practices.

> Here is what I pointed out before. An early date means the
> first Kings;

What you pointed out before is simply incorrect in the
overall context of Germanic onomastics.

>>> BTW, which should be the last Gothic names which have
>>> been recorded at all? Are any of them wchich have been
>>> kept as they have been in Toledo?

>> I don't know what you mean by this.

> So far I remember, the last capital of the Goths has been
> Toledo. I asked myself which have been the Gothic names in
> the VIII ( exactly 711 AD) century as they have been
> recored last. The Last kings have a names which do not
> make and connection with the names of the very ancient
> goths: Rekkared, Rekkeswind, Roderich (BTW, Spanish
> Rodrigu should be derivated from Roderik?)

The first of these names appears as <Recaredus>,
<Reccaredus>, <Recharedus>, <Rekaredus> between the first of
the Visigothic kings of this name (ca.600) and the early
10th century, and in Romance form as <Rikaredo> 937 and
<Rrekaredo> 957. The prototheme is distinctively East Gmc.,
but its etymology is uncertain. An earlier example of it is
seen in <Rechiario>, name of the 5th century Suevenkönig.

The Visigothic king from 647 to 672 was <Recesvinthus>,
<Reccesvindus>, <Rechesvintus>; a later example is the abbot
<Recesuindo> of Sahagún in 905.

The last Visigothic king appears as <Roderico> and
<Rudericus>; the name is the source of Spanish <Rodrigo> and
<Rui> (not to mention intermediate forms like <Roorigo>
1220, <Rorigo> 1113).

>>>>> About names which ends in "-a", one find them even
>>>>> between the first kings (Hisarna) but later too
>>>>> (Amalaberga).

>>>> <Amalaberga> is a Latinized feminine name; the Gothic
>>>> original would have had <-bergo>.

>>> Which will speak against a Latin inflexion or
>>> Dative/Ablative of what you said until now:-)

>> No, it won't: <-mund->, unlike <-berg->, is not a
>> feminine deuterotheme.

> I was not aware of "-berga" being feminine in Gothic.

The deuterotheme <-berg-> is feminine in all of the Gmc.
languages, so far as I know.

> BTW is this again a deutherotheme which will mislead one
> to the word mountain which in Gothic was "bairgan"?

It goes with Goth. <baírgan> 'to hide, preserve, protect',
OE <beorgan>, ON <bjarga>, modern German <bergen>.

Brian