Re: [tied] Re: The trouble with *h3

From: enlil@...
Message: 34828
Date: 2004-10-24

Piotr:
> I used to have doubts about it, but now, having done more reading
> on nasal suffixes and some more thinking on my own I have overcome
> my initial objections.

Well, at this point, a voiced *h3 wouldn't be terribly disruptive
to my ideas on Mid IE as long as we have a situation of [hW] > [HW],
where [H] is voiced "h", the "h" with the smurf hat in IPA, hehe :)

If that's the case, would you see any problems with assigning such
a value to *h3? Would it be odd within a phonological system that
contains *h1 = [?]/[h] and *h2 = [h.]? My thinking is that it would
be voiced at least in certain environments and unvoiced in some
others but is this necessary to have a plausible system? Can a
system contain only a voiced labial aspirate without an unvoiced
counterpart?

I know that in English, "h" has both values. We have "happen" where
the initial "h" is decidedly voiceless and yet intervocalically, as
in "ahead", we might have a voiced "h". At least this is how I
pronounce it. Perhaps a similar situation occured in IE where both
*h1 [h] and *h3 [hW] would have voiced and voiceless values depending
on their context. Maybe it could be dependent on position within a
word.


= gLeN